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Old 30th August 2022, 13:09   #121
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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

Could the reason be:

- To accommodate the additional manufacturing capacity for the new Grand Vitara and HyRider as we all know they are manufacturing the Hybrid versions at the Toyota plant?

Any Guesses? Other than this, i don't see a reason to stop bookings for the money minting models.
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Old 30th August 2022, 14:11   #122
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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

Absolutely lame excuse by Toyota. Worst excuse by a solid and successful brand that I have come across.

I guess this has more to do with the Urban Cruiser Hyryder and the upcoming Innova HyCross. Probably Toyota is trying to set the prospects/customers' mindset since both the "Hy" models are petrol-only models.

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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

Innova and Fortuner are made on a different older line. The newer line that used to produce Liva twins must have been converted to more recent car launches.

Contrary to the TKM statement, I have seen stock or (2-3 weeks) delivery times for Innova. Stopping order booking has other reasons, and it appears TKM wants to keep it to themselves. It can be emission-related or the priority of other cars where they earn more.

Most manufacturers prioritise vehicles or trims that bring them the highest profits everywhere. BMW won't accept bookings on basic packages (overseas), and Porsche will need a Paint to Spec option if you fancy that 911 Turbo-S slot. Crazy times.

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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

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Most manufacturers prioritise vehicles or trims that bring them the highest profits everywhere. BMW won't accept bookings on basic packages (overseas), and Porsche will need a Paint to Spec option if you fancy that 911 Turbo-S slot. Crazy times.
I have a couple of Doubts with this logic:

1) Does this mean Innova diesel has lesser profits than petrol? 90% of Innova's sale is Diesel and if they were minting less money than the rest 10% Petrol, then the whole team who set the prices needs to be sacked by Toyota!

2) Even within Innova petrol/Diesel, higher variants get them larger margins. So why is the top-end diesel stopped when lower-end petrol is still not stopped?

Clearly, Toyota doesn't want to explain the reality.
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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

Blatant lie by money hungry Toyota.

There must be some other reason. Why to give lame excuse?
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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

The reason I got from the dealer was that they are preparing the assembly line for the Hybrid Innova and hence the diesels are being shipped lesser in number. Maybe they don't want a 1 year waiting scenario like what Mahindra guys do.

Also, maybe they have a lot of stock of the petrol Innova that they want to get rid of before the Hybrid launches

Once the hybrid launches, I guess they will stop the petrol Innova and only have diesel and hybrid in the portfolio, just a hunch.

My dealer has told my dad that 300% you will get your car, this was a statement in a call just 4 days back.
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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

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Could the reason be:

- To accommodate the additional manufacturing capacity for the new Grand Vitara and HyRider as we all know they are manufacturing the Hybrid versions at the Toyota plant?

Any Guesses? Other than this, i don't see a reason to stop bookings for the money minting models.
Innova and Fortuner are assembled at Plant 1 in Bidadi meanwhile the hybrids are being assembled in Plant 2 where the Camry is being assembled for sometime now and very recently the HyRyder and Grand Vitara.

Although I would’ve expected this reply from Toyota India much before, it’s too late now for a reply that doesn’t even feel true!!

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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

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I have a couple of Doubts with this logic:
Clearly, Toyota doesn't want to explain the reality.
You are right, but as I mentioned before, we can only guess. Also, these are very different times; we cannot equate anything that used to be a norm, say six months back.

Innova's Petrol engine still comes from overseas, whereas Diesel is made locally, and Diesel: Petrol ratio will be 100:1, so it's intriguing why they will do stop

I am a 100% supporter of Petrol Innova wherever your driving is less than 10,000 Km annually. The comfort, noise and overall driveability are superior to Diesel.
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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

Or this is another way to shoot prices by huge margin.

Stop supply and few months down the line customers will line up to pay even a huge appreciation in price. Meanwhile all these months focus on introducing other cars.

Perfect game of creating a huge demand and sell later at exorbitant prices.

And validation of my reply can come via a poll on team bhp whether buyers will be willing to pay a huge price difference when supply resumes.
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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

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The reason I got from the dealer was that they are preparing the assembly line for the Hybrid Innova
There is no Innova Hybrid currently, period.

As I mentioned, another MUV is being squeezed, smaller than Innova, which should have a hybrid variant too. If you check the review of hybrid urban cruiser, you will find many things are required for a hybrid powertrain. On the current generation of Innova, it will be super difficult if not impossible.

As seen on almost all generations, they will first launch a new generation in SE Asia and then here.


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maybe they have a lot of stock of the petrol Innova that they want to get rid of before the Hybrid launches

Toyota and high inventories don't happen ever. Check records; before they release any newer generation, older ones will be gone entirely from the yards. Not even with dealers. They are very, very good with planning - The Toyota Way.



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My dealer has told my dad that 300% you will get your car
Yes, most of the old car bookings are being honoured, in North, you can get some variants off the shelf, too, but this was a few weeks back.

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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

I had booked a Crysta Diesel AT on the 12th of this month and vehicle was ready in 10 days. Probably car was in their yard before I made the booking .
Most likely every dealership has a few pieces in stock and if one is willing to compromise on the colour you may still be able to pick one.
My SA said they had 45 bookings for the Crysta diesel the next day (once the news of stopping of diesel variant bookings came out), in my Tier 2 city.

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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

Spoke to an Industry Insider on this. This is to accommodate the Grand Vitara/Hyryder manufacturing for upcoming festive season. In that case, they are aiming at very high numbers with Vitara/Hyryder and make it a runaway success. Which again could translate for aggressive pricing for Vitara/Hyryder.
( Every assumptions in context that Toyota decided to halt its bread and butter model and utilise its full 3L per annum capacity for upcoming 2 cars. Bidadi plant always used to be under utilized and hopefully it changes with new cars)
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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

Toyota has issued a clarification about Discontinuation of Innova.

It is just due to a huge backlog and not due to the upcoming Hybrid Innova. So that clarifies that both models will continue simultaneously. This should give a huge relief to all the guys who booked it.

My friends went into panic as the company refused to give delivery despite booking one 3 months ago and showroom offered to refund the amount. I believe there is huge pressure from Political circles for Innova and general public booking are been cancelled to service political pressure. Don't know how much truth it is.

Toyota clarifies on Innova diesel-discontinuation- Only temporarily/
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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

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Toyota Innova Crysta Diesel Bookings Halted Due to High Demand
Demand outpaces supply of your product.. So what you do .? Halt the production and stop booking rather than increasing the production..! This is the strange market dynamics, Toyota seems to follow, atleast as per their press release.

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Old 31st August 2022, 21:17   #135
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re: Toyota stops taking bookings for Innova Crysta diesel | EDIT: Back in Jan 2023

Of all the manufacturers in India, I find Toyota to be least customer centric. Rather it's other way round.

Hey Toyota!! It's we customers who have been Toyota centric.

Toyota has taken us for a ride time and again. Be it pricing, poorly engineered Etios cousins or their lacklustre showrooms. The premium they charge for their cars doesn't reflect anywhere except for the famous Toyota reliability, which I personally feel is extremely overrated.

Infact, keeping apart small and third world countries, I don't know any other nation where Toyota charges so much premium for their products. Rather they are known for providing value proposition in countries like US and Australia.

Not so long ago, Toyota LC Prado used to rival the Ford Everest in Australia. In India I was surprised to see Tfort competing with the Endy(Everest) and outsell the endy.

So Toyota tell us what's cooking, we deserve to know more than anyone else.
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