[manaljain]

Tata Safari facelift spotted testing in Indore. Pretty much seemed to be just a basic update.

[manaljain]

Tata is working on a big update for Safari. In this update, Safari could get a new exterior and interior design. Tata is also expected to lead it with features like an improved infotainment system, instrument cluster, and 360-degree camera. It is also expected to come with ADAS functionality.

[FourBanger]

Originally Posted by manaljain

Tata Safari facelift spotted testing in Indore. Pretty much seemed to be just a basic update.

Here you are saying basic update

Originally Posted by manaljain

Tata is working on a big update for Safari.

Here you are saying big update

Please don’t make a third post saying there is no update

[Mishrap]

Safari CAMO edition probably

[anuragsingh]

Not sure what they plan to change in the new Safari. In these shots, the front and back look identical to the existing model. Even the infotainment unit looks similar.

[Safari Persona]

Originally Posted by anuragsingh

Not sure what they plan to change in the new Safari. In these shots, the front and back look identical to the existing model. Even the infotainment unit looks similar.

It's going to have a 360 degree camera and ADAS features. Maybe even a petrol engine.

[Adorablejim]

What is the update here? Its exactly the same vehicle.

[manaljain]

Originally Posted by FourBanger

Please don’t make a third post saying there is no update

Looking at the exterior part it seemed to be quite similar to the ongoing one.
No such visual change on the exterior, maybe improved screen & ADAS.

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by anuragsingh

Not sure what they plan to change in the new Safari. In these shots, the front and back look identical to the existing model. Even the infotainment unit looks similar.

It's the much awaited no niggles or breakdown edition.

[vivekgk]

I was hoping that there would be something more in the update. The exterior still looks good but it could use slight updates to bring it up to date, like upgrading from the basic reflector setup for high beams and fog lamps. C'mon Tata, it's a 25-30 lakh car in 2023. How can you still be offering just basic halogen reflector lighting?



Another gripe I have is with the cheap looking entry and mid variants. The Harrier XM variant comes with 16 inch steel wheels and tyres. The Safari XM gets a styled steel wheel that looks a lot better,



but Harrier gets 16 inch wheels with wheel caps from the Nexon.



This trend of deliberately making the mid variants too ugly to consider will only drive the buyers to the competition. I booked the ScorpioN Z4 and have been waiting since July 31st, even when the Harrier XMA is available readily and is actually better suited for my mainly city usage.

It also gets a 7 inch infotainment system without Android Auto, and it is a smaller screen that looks very out of place on the wide bezel. Other manufacturers implement this a lot better by adding buttons or knobs on either sides of the screen. On the Harrier/Safari, you get vast expanses of plastic and a distinctly down-market looking dash. For comparison, Android Auto is available on the Alto K10 now.




That said, even the bigger 8.8 in screen on the top models looks small, because they ARE small. The unnecessarily wide screen means that even though the screen diagonal is large, the actual area of the screen is very less. If you try putting Apple Carplay on this screen, then it occupies only a small centre part of the screen, with the sides going to waste.



A proper 16:9 aspect ratio screen of even 9 inch would be much more usable. Hope Tata does something about this. For a supposedly driver focused vehicle, the touchscreen is a bit of a reach from the driver seat. Both the screens have perceptible lag, which shouldn't be the case in this age and price range.

[RRM]

Hopefully they work more on all the existing niggles rather than just makeup otherwise the story continues.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by vivekgk

A proper 16:9 aspect ratio screen of even 9 inch would be much more usable. Hope Tata does something about this. For a supposedly driver focused vehicle, the touchscreen is a bit of a reach from the driver seat. Both the screens have perceptible lag, which shouldn't be the case in this age and price range.

The sort of tech and features expected in this category now far exceeds the processing capacity of this platform. They may have to completely redesign the connectivity platform now.

[CrashedCyborg]

Could it possibly get the 1.5L 4-cylinder petrol engine that Tata had begun working on earlier this year?

[DRPSREDDY]

Originally Posted by CrashedCyborg

Could it possibly get the 1.5L 4-cylinder petrol engine that Tata had begun working on earlier this year?

This possibility is remote as TATA Motors has clarified that 1.5L petrol engine will not be offered in Harrier-Safari for now.

Maybe the 1.5L engine will be made available on the upcoming Sierra that maybe displayed this Autoexpo 2023.

[vivekgk]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

The sort of tech and features expected in this category now far exceeds the processing capacity of this platform. They may have to completely redesign the connectivity platform now.

True. Customers now expect more than just a basic Infotainment screen. We can blame the Hector and the XUV700 for spoiling the customers this way. If you take the XUV, right from the AX3 mid variant, you get the excellent Adrenox system with twin screen cluster with dual 10.x inch screens. Step into an AX3 and you don't get the feeling that you compromised. It looks so modern, with the waterfall dashboard and centre console basically surrounding you in a way that only luxury vehicles can. Sure, it may have its low points, like the delayed Carplay connectivity, but at least you don't feel constantly reminded that you're not as rich as the guy who got the AX5/7/7L.

As you said, Tata needs to really update its Infotainment game from ground up. The sound quality has always been good since the Hexa/Zest/Bolt launch, but the actual interfaces have moved up a couple of generations by way of bigger screens and faster processors.

Apart from the infotainment, another misstep that Tata always seems to take is choosing a very unpopular PCD for its wheels and sticking with it. They did this with the Indica range with its odd 4x108 PCD, when almost every other car maker was using 4x100. This meant that you always ended up having to choose either the factory stock alloy wheels, or having to compromise with structurally weak 8 hole wheels from semi-dubious brands, or settle for what limited choice is available in the market. I faced this issue in my Indigo.

It pained me to see them do the same thing in the case of the Nexon and Harrier as well. The Harrier/Safari uses a very rare 5 hole x 108 PCD pattern, which is incidentally the same as the Land Rover Discovery and Freelander. Still, I don't understand why it is so hard to change the PCD to something more common in India, like 5x114.3 or 5x120. Our own thread on PCD (Why does the wheel PCD differ across manufacturers?) suggests that a larger PCD is better for higher loads.

The only reason I can think of as to why Harrier still uses this rare PCD is to present a lineage from the Land Rover, and to ensure that the customer has limited upgrade options outside of the factory options. Even then, the only alloy wheel in the Harrier accessories list is a 17 inch wheel, but the variants without alloy wheels come with 16 inch wheels. So, the upgrade costs go up, as the customer now has to shell out even more money to replace brand new 16 inch factory tyres with 17 inch ones, at a loss. I would think that keeping an additional inventory of a different sized tyres for the lower variants would be more difficult. The Harrier alone comes with 16 inch, 17 inch and 18 inch wheel options. I hope that they offer at least a 17 inch styled steel wheel for the mid variants, and switch to a more popular PCD.