[vshankarhere]

Originally Posted by DicKy

The three cylinder 1.5l diesel was the downsized minus one cylinder version of old Xylo's engine. First introduced in the Quanto, then the Nuvosport and the TUV300. Now doing duty in the Bolero. Has good low end torque and pretty refined for a 3 pot. But shows its age.

The D15 four cylinder 1.5l diesel is a brand new one that is right now in the Marazzo and XUV300. Haven't driven the Marazzo, but the XUV300 is just . If tax/excise exception is the only concern, this is the superior engine.

Maybe the 3 pot is cheaper to make or Mahindra wants economy of scale for it. Or the old 3pot is a proven mill and Mahindra is not sure of the long term durability of the new engine. But if not, beats me why can't Mahindra replace the VGT with FGT and have the new engine across the board.

Yes, while Mahindra does have two 1.5L diesel engines, one being a 3 cylinder and the other being a 4 cylinder, I read somewhere, both were developed for different applications. The 3 cylinder engine used in TUV300, Bolero is optimized for real wheel drive configurations and was not suitable for use in Marazzo and XUV300 both of which are front wheel drives. That is the reason Mahindra had developed a brand new engine for Marazzo and XUV300.


If at all, Mahindra develops this Thar 'lite' version, I feel they will be plonking the 3 cylinder 1.5L diesel only as that will suit the RWD application.

[GB muthu]

Originally Posted by DicKy

I really hope they are not flogging that stupid 3 pot engine to the BS6 era. The company turned their 2.2l engine sideways in the XUV500. Is it hard for them to put the 1.5l 4pot engine longitudinally in the Bolero, Bolero Neo, Thar lite? Or isn't their modern engine durable enough for the tough life that these models will endure?

Housing the Ssangyong 1.5 unit longitudinal is no issue. Actually MNM was said to have prototyped a Bolero fitted with this mill. Never made it to the project though. Part of the reason could be the recent row MNM is having with Ssangyong.
The 3 pot mill is not a bad one. Has qualified for bs6 with 75hp output. More apt for a Bolero Invader but Thar ⁉️

There use to be a barebone Thar DI from the previous generation of the Thar which this 1.5 could be replacing. It is however unlikely that NCAP will allow the Thar to enjoy 4 star crash test rating for the car that has side facing rear seats varient.
So it could be that MNM is relaunching the Bolero Invader. From an enthusiast perspective, a RWD, 2.2L will be a fun car too.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by GB muthu

Housing the Ssangyong 1.5 unit longitudinal is no issue. Actually MNM was said to have prototyped a Bolero fitted with this mill. Never made it to the project though. Part of the reason could be the recent row MNM is having with Ssangyong.
The 3 pot mill is not a bad one. Has qualified for bs6 with 75hp output. More apt for a Bolero Invader but Thar ⁉️

Had the same thought process too. The 1.5l felt too close to the Ssangyong 1.6l and Mahindra's family of new petrol and diesel engines looked suspiciously similar to many of Ssangyong's engines. But try as I might couldn't find anything as to say Mahindra took the engine tech from Ssangyong. True, Mahindra might have taken some know-how from Ssangyong for the new family of engines. Just look at Tata struggling with their ICE development. But I guess the new family of engines belongs to Mahindra. I don't think the sale of Ssangyong will affect Mahindra's engine decisions. Must be something else

Ofcourse the 3 pot mill is a decent engine. Loyal Bolero customers are happy with it, atleast for the last couple of years. It is just that, when they have an awesome engine at their disposal why slog the old one?

[swunkjyn]

Mahindra should focus on meeting the current sales orders for Mahindr Thar, they have not been able to meet up with the current demand due to poor planning. But now that they know that Thar is the Golden Goose, they want to have an XL Version i.e the 5 Door and then the smaller S Version with a smaller engine.

[GB muthu]

Originally Posted by DicKy

Had the same thought process too. The 1.5l felt too close to the Ssangyong 1.6l and Mahindra's family of new petrol and diesel engines looked suspiciously similar to many of Ssangyong's engines.

Ssangyong's aluminium 1.5 unit produces an identical 30kgm torque as the 2.2 mill powering the current Thar. A 1.5 diesel engine powering a sub 4m Vehicle saves more than 10% in taxes. It is therefore a huge puzzle why MNM wouldn't offer this engine for the Thar. Come April 22 when the CAFE regulations kick in, this engine could become obsolete!

[GB muthu]

Originally Posted by DicKy

I really hope they are not flogging that stupid 3 pot engine to the BS6 era. The company turned their 2.2l engine sideways in the XUV500. Is it hard for them to put the 1.5l 4pot engine longitudinally in the Bolero, Bolero Neo, Thar lite? Or isn't their modern engine durable enough for the tough life that these models will endure?

I too strongly believed that it ought to be the Ssangyong 4 pot 1.5 that should go into the Thar.
I drove the Neo recently and have to admit that the 3 Potter was not bad at all. A RWD Thar with this engine will be pretty decent.

[r-a-s]

Spotted testing in Chennai. New base variant?

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Scoop or already out in the open? Interior shot of the rumoured 2023 2WD Thar -

Source- the_reels_news on instagram.

[Pancham]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Scoop or already out in the open? Interior shot of the rumoured 2023 2WD Thar -

Source- the_reels_news on instagram.

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This could also be the 5 door version. Regardless, I wish they never made a 4x2 version.

[Venkatesh]

SCOOP! Entry-level Mahindra Thar 1.5 diesel 2WD launch in January.

- Thar 1.5 will be 2WD only
- Thar 2.0 turbo petrol will also get 2WD
- Both variants will be on sale in January
- could get an sub-Rs 10 lakh starting price

Source

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by Venkatesh

SCOOP! Entry-level Mahindra Thar 1.5 diesel 2WD launch in January.



Source

Great

Thank you Mahindra for not putting that 3 cylinder lump. The 1.5l from Marazzo/XUV300 would be great for an entry level 2WD Thar. Well, have to say. Jimny has it hard. Jimny vs Thar fight is juicy even before it begins!!!

[vredesbyrd]

Originally Posted by DicKy

Jimny has it hard. Jimny vs Thar fight is juicy even before it begins!!!

OT:
In response, Maruti will make Jimny FWD and put in a 3 speed torque converter from the 70s

[ph03n!x]

Originally Posted by DicKy

...
The 1.5l from Marazzo/XUV300 would be great for an entry level 2WD Thar.
...

I'm actually surprised that it's from Marazzo. The 4-cylinder 1.5L Diesel that Mahindra has are all currently in traverse layouts (Marazzo and XUV3OO). So one of these are the possibilities -

1. M&M has updated the currently traverse-mounted 1.5L 4-cylinder Diesel to be longitudinal for the Thar. Would this also mean that they can eventually phase out the 3-pot 1.5L? That will be interesting...
2. The Thar is getting the 3-pot longitudinally mounted Diesel, Autocar India got it wrong
3. The 1.5L Thar is going to be FWD, not RWD

Let's see which one pans out!

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by vredesbyrd

OT:
In response, Maruti will make Jimny FWD and put in a 3 speed torque converter from the 70s

Well, no need to go till the 70s. Maruti was selling 2 speed automatics well into the 90s.

Won't necessarily make it FWD. The platform won't allow. But they could plonk the K12 engine in the Jimny if they want.

Originally Posted by ph03n!x

[*]M&M has updated the currently traverse-mounted 1.5L 4-cylinder Diesel to be longitudinal for the Thar. Would this also mean that they can eventually phase out the 3-pot 1.5L? That will be interesting...

They put the 2.2l either way in the Scorpio and XUV500, back in the early 2010s. So, they sure can do it.

Originally Posted by ph03n!x

[*]The Thar is getting the 3-pot longitudinally mounted Diesel, Autocar India got it wrong

NOOOO!!!

Originally Posted by ph03n!x

[*]The 1.5L Thar is going to be FWD, not RWD [/list]Let's see which one pans out!

No way they are going to develop a whole new platform. So it will stay a BoF RWD. But if the sales become so high and a raging success, by next gen we may see two models using the Thar brand. A BoF offroader and a boxy monocoque FWDish AWD SUV.

[AMG1]

THAR 2WD! Blasphemous in my opinion!
Dilution of the brand continues- Silver bumpers loss(monotone black bumpers in latest ones look too agricultural IMO, Lumbar supports loss, Dual charging port loss, onboard navigation loss, MLD loss in petrols, 4WD loss, constant price hikes, 2.2 to 1.5 diesel (hope 2.2L doesn't get killed!)). Should have changed its looks slightly and launched it as a separate sub-brand of Thar for 2WD versions and MLDs should have never been omitted in all 4Wds.

They could have tried the strategy of Wrangler, - Rubicon, Sahara, Sport, Unlimited, Overland, etc- Where mostly Wrangler name/engine/body is the same yet all versions are so different to each other- All have different suspension setups, 4WD hardware (some versions even are full time 4WD opposed to part-time one in Rubicon), etc. Thar could have gone that route.

They are hell-bent on making this a regular vanilla brand from an aspirational one!

Credit to the video uploader. I found this on YouTube

https://youtu.be/lqC5LqzeoNY