New City VTEC or Cedia

shuvc · 29th July 2007, 16:31

Yes ! The thread title isn't a typo.

There are threads on how good the Cedia is and how if fares in the C+ segment with against the Civic, Corolla, etc. This makes sense, since size-wise and feature wise they probably belong together.

Last Friday I went for a Cedia TD and the comparison with the VTec struck me. Reason ?
OTR price in Kolkata

City VTec - 8.7. Around 8.5/8.6 after (corporate) discounts.
Cedia Select - 9.0x. Around 8.7 after dealer discount. AND this is without any bargaining. I'm sure one can bring it down further.

So for approx 8.6 L, in the Cedia you get
1. A 2L refined Jap engine
2. 115 BHP against 100BHP
3. More torque
4. ABS
5. EBD
6. Airbags
7. Fab and better ride and handling
8. 15" & wider tyres
....

The VTec has
1. A very refined engine
2. H badge
3. Better A.S.S
4. Parts are cheaper
5. Double DIN alpine deck vs the Blaupunkt in the Cedia
6. Better FE probably
7. Better resale
....

One would surely think the Cedia should sell more. Yet look at what HM has done to it.

Btw, the Cedia sports retails for around 9.2 ish OTR, before major haggling.

I'm setting up a poll here. Which one would you buy ? But I guess it's futile, since the winner will surely be the VTec.

Sad.

Akshay1234 · 29th July 2007, 16:38

of course not. most of the people on the forum are enthusiasts. im sure the cedia will win. its a much better car.

OT - but about the dual din music system being listed as better - just because its a dual din doesnt make it better.

narayan · 29th July 2007, 16:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuvc

Yes ! The thread title isn't a typo.

The VTec has
1. A very refined engine
2. H badge
3. Better A.S.S
4. Parts are cheaper
5. Double DIN alpine deck vs the Blaupunkt in the Cedia
6. Better FE probably
7. Better resale
....

One would surely think the Cedia should sell more. Yet look at what HM has done to it.

Btw, the Cedia sports retails for around 9.2 ish OTR, before major haggling.

I'm setting up a poll here. Which one would you buy ? But I guess it's futile, since the winner will surely be the VTec.

Sad.

just beg to differ on 2 points u quoted for the NHC VTEC

better A.S.S - very citi specific i think bcos down south HONDA has an attrocious reputation for service

and

Resale value - i somehow feel the NHC VTEC may not command a good resale value as the OHC or the NHC EXI/GXI...

IMHO - the NHC VTEC is more an after thought than anything else...i mean, who would constitute the resale market for the VTEC ?

someone who wants a good performance car, good handling and good looks, at a reasonable price...thats probably why a lot of ppl bought the OHC 1.5 /VTEC which has resulted inthese cars having a good resale value...

i dont think the NHC VTEC might command the same following in the resale market

akroy · 29th July 2007, 16:58

I will go for a Cedia for sure....

Specially after seeing ROC's red Cedia during the yelagiri drive, i just fell in love with its looks as well....Not only it has juice under the hood but also it has some excellent looks...

Abhi

eflanker · 29th July 2007, 17:41

Cedia cannot be compared to a City

Cedia is more in a Civic category, eventhough, the cost varies

We all know the pricing in India is difference compared globally.

Raja · 29th July 2007, 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by shuvc

Btw, the Cedia sports retails for around 9.2 ish OTR, before major haggling.

I have been quoted 9.99 L OTR before haggling in Pune. Is there really such a major difference even before haggling starts?

Indian · 29th July 2007, 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by narayan

IMHO - the NHC VTEC is more an after thought than anything else...i mean, who would constitute the resale market for the VTEC ?
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i dont think the NHC VTEC might command the same following in the resale market

Also, as speculations are going on with intoduction of ABS/airbags in City, may be sometime down the line, the "Old" NHC's resale value will be under pressure.

Cedia will definitely score over VTEC in all respects !!

Vid6639 · 29th July 2007, 18:10

Why does the poll option have Cedia Select? I would go for the spirit with the leather and other stuff.

neoranjit · 29th July 2007, 18:45

Agree with what Narayan said.. Down south, the honda dealers dont really have a good name. I dont have any first hand experience but thts what everyone says.

So, Cedia ..it is

Akshay1234 · 29th July 2007, 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by vid6639

Why does the poll option have Cedia Select? I would go for the spirit with the leather and other stuff.

selects price is closer to the vtec.

aseem · 29th July 2007, 19:37

Ok if I was buying the car, with my money, its definitely Honda City Vtec. If someone was to lease a car to me, that would never be mine, than I would choose Cedia. So all those in favor of Cedia in this forum, really dont care about your hard earned money and are shooting from the heart. But when you spend close to 9 Lakhs of your moolah, head should rule over heart. Enuf Said!

lancer_maniac · 29th July 2007, 20:00

If its OHC vtec vs Cedia i would definetely vote for the OHC but here will cedia has to be the better of the two....

anupam00 · 29th July 2007, 21:11

I my opinion go for Cedia.
It's a much much better and a great car.
It should not be compared to city,you can compare cedia with civic...
Cedia is a great buy .Go for Cedia

devilvtec · 29th July 2007, 21:23

I am sorry to say that even after being a hard core honda fan i will choose the mitsu cedia, just besause of the fact it is a much better car to drive. The nhc is just a disgrace to the past reputation of honda the ohc type 1 with its blasting 16 valve hyper engine, the ohc type 2 with its blistering vtec engine and finally honda uses its jap brain to take out the nhc with its pathetic idsi engine.

ajmat · 29th July 2007, 21:51

Over here, we are voting with our hearts. In reality, we will vote with our wallets and that changes things totally. Imagine, if I bought a Palio 1.6 instead of my OHC vtec, I would have lost as much money f I sold it now - four lakhs. The interest of extra 4 lakhs that I stumped up balances out on the fuel cnsumption and relative lack of service aggravation.

One thig to note is that, as good a car that the Cedia is, it has been phased out overseas. the OHC is a current model till end of this year.

View Poll Results: Which would you buy ?
NHC VTec	54	19.08%
Lancer Cedia Select	229	80.92%
Voters: 283. You may not vote on this poll

29th July 2007, 16:31	#1
shuvc Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kolkata Posts: 2,913 Thanked: 352 Times View My Garage	New City VTEC or Cedia Yes ! The thread title isn't a typo. There are threads on how good the Cedia is and how if fares in the C+ segment with against the Civic, Corolla, etc. This makes sense, since size-wise and feature wise they probably belong together. Last Friday I went for a Cedia TD and the comparison with the VTec struck me. Reason ? OTR price in Kolkata City VTec - 8.7. Around 8.5/8.6 after (corporate) discounts. Cedia Select - 9.0x. Around 8.7 after dealer discount. AND this is without any bargaining. I'm sure one can bring it down further. So for approx 8.6 L, in the Cedia you get 1. A 2L refined Jap engine 2. 115 BHP against 100BHP 3. More torque 4. ABS 5. EBD 6. Airbags 7. Fab and better ride and handling 8. 15" & wider tyres .... The VTec has 1. A very refined engine 2. H badge 3. Better A.S.S 4. Parts are cheaper 5. Double DIN alpine deck vs the Blaupunkt in the Cedia 6. Better FE probably 7. Better resale .... One would surely think the Cedia should sell more. Yet look at what HM has done to it. Btw, the Cedia sports retails for around 9.2 ish OTR, before major haggling. I'm setting up a poll here. Which one would you buy ? But I guess it's futile, since the winner will surely be the VTec. Sad. Last edited by shuvc : 29th July 2007 at 16:32.
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29th July 2007, 16:38	#2
Akshay1234 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 10,265 Thanked: 12,316 Times	of course not. most of the people on the forum are enthusiasts. im sure the cedia will win. its a much better car. OT - but about the dual din music system being listed as better - just because its a dual din doesnt make it better.
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29th July 2007, 16:58	#4
akroy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA, USA Posts: 2,423 Thanked: 85 Times View My Garage	I will go for a Cedia for sure.... Specially after seeing ROC's red Cedia during the yelagiri drive, i just fell in love with its looks as well....Not only it has juice under the hood but also it has some excellent looks... Abhi
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29th July 2007, 17:41	#5
eflanker BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 88 Thanked: 2 Times	Cedia cannot be compared to a City Cedia is more in a Civic category, eventhough, the cost varies We all know the pricing in India is difference compared globally.
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29th July 2007, 18:10	#8
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,727 Thanked: 43,461 Times View My Garage	Why does the poll option have Cedia Select? I would go for the spirit with the leather and other stuff.
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29th July 2007, 18:45	#9
neoranjit BHPian Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 588 Thanked: 195 Times View My Garage	Agree with what Narayan said.. Down south, the honda dealers dont really have a good name. I dont have any first hand experience but thts what everyone says. So, Cedia ..it is
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29th July 2007, 19:37	#11
aseem Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Delhi Posts: 1,730 Thanked: 441 Times	Ok if I was buying the car, with my money, its definitely Honda City Vtec. If someone was to lease a car to me, that would never be mine, than I would choose Cedia. So all those in favor of Cedia in this forum, really dont care about your hard earned money and are shooting from the heart. But when you spend close to 9 Lakhs of your moolah, head should rule over heart. Enuf Said!
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29th July 2007, 20:00	#12
lancer_maniac BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bengaluruu Posts: 236 Thanked: 177 Times	If its OHC vtec vs Cedia i would definetely vote for the OHC but here will cedia has to be the better of the two....
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29th July 2007, 21:11	#13
anupam00 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NOIDA Posts: 217 Thanked: 421 Times	Cedia or Honda City I my opinion go for Cedia. It's a much much better and a great car. It should not be compared to city,you can compare cedia with civic... Cedia is a great buy .Go for Cedia
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29th July 2007, 21:23	#14
devilvtec BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: gurgaon Posts: 39 Thanked: 0 Times	I am sorry to say that even after being a hard core honda fan i will choose the mitsu cedia, just besause of the fact it is a much better car to drive. The nhc is just a disgrace to the past reputation of honda the ohc type 1 with its blasting 16 valve hyper engine, the ohc type 2 with its blistering vtec engine and finally honda uses its jap brain to take out the nhc with its pathetic idsi engine.
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29th July 2007, 21:51	#15
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,858 Thanked: 27,925 Times View My Garage	Over here, we are voting with our hearts. In reality, we will vote with our wallets and that changes things totally. Imagine, if I bought a Palio 1.6 instead of my OHC vtec, I would have lost as much money f I sold it now - four lakhs. The interest of extra 4 lakhs that I stumped up balances out on the fuel cnsumption and relative lack of service aggravation. One thig to note is that, as good a car that the Cedia is, it has been phased out overseas. the OHC is a current model till end of this year.
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