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Old 17th September 2024, 10:14   #76
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re: 2024 Maruti Suzuki Dzire spied on test. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 6.79 lakhs

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I don't think they will sell dzire under Arena anymore considering the features such as Sunroof being offered. NEXA is meant to be more premium, if a car under Arena gets more features than most cars under Nexa, what sense does it make?
This is going off-topic but to answer you, even Arena has good cars (with sunroof) like Brezza.

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re: 2024 Maruti Suzuki Dzire spied on test. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 6.79 lakhs

Looks like it’s copied from the Honda Amaze to me. From that angle at least.

And what’s that about the sunroof being the most loved feature? ROFL, give us safety as a feature for a change!
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re: 2024 Maruti Suzuki Dzire spied on test. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 6.79 lakhs

A very smart looking car. Hopefully the powers that be at Maruti, don't price this disastrously, like they did with the Jimny. Fingers crossed!!
But I suspect, based on the online buzz, this version will be priced at a premium.

A sub-10 lakh OTR price for at least the first 3 variants at least, assuming the variant names remain the same, i.e. the LXI, VXI and VXI AT (wishful thinking I know), would make this car a surefire hit!! I hope for the best...
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Looks good. The grill already looks like it is inspired from Innova. If Toyota copies this car in their stable, they would have no reason to change the fascia.
It could be a cost cutting exercise by both brands. Why change the grill when you can just swap the logos..?

Suzuki's styling off late has not been good to begin with.
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re: 2024 Maruti Suzuki Dzire spied on test. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 6.79 lakhs

I wish they’d gone all the way to making it a jacked up sedan / “SUV coupe” a la Basalt.

The relief from the Swift divorce goes both ways! The Swift has its own fan base as a sporty Mini styled hatchback, so they will also be happy not to be associated with a practical mini sedan.
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Looks really cool to say the least. It has some amaze and Ciaz vibe to it but this will be a fresh start for the dzire now. I think Maruti will price this a bit competitively and the C Segment sedans will go on to be revived only through the dzire. It's a great complete family package if they can actually optimize the space(rear seats and the boot) and the vfm factor.
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re: 2024 Maruti Suzuki Dzire spied on test. EDIT: Launched at Rs. 6.79 lakhs

This looks 'Amaze'ingly cool.

It looks nowhere like the Swift like the previous versions used to.

DZire was always a popular car among the cabbies. Now with additional features like the sunroof, etc. it will also be in the consideration for the buyers who are looking for bigger hatchbacks.
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Swapping a 4cyl engine with a 3cyl one is a clear downgrade, no matter what Maruti does with a few body panels.
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Swapping a 4cyl engine with a 3cyl one is a clear downgrade, no matter what Maruti does with a few body panels.
I think this is not outrightly correct. The motive is to provide higher efficiencies while still being frugal. This is clearly scene in the new swift as well. What I really think is that the new 3 cylinder will become the base for the hybrid platform in the future.
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I think this is not outrightly correct. The motive is to provide higher efficiencies while still being frugal. This is clearly scene in the new swift as well. What I really think is that the new 3 cylinder will become the base for the hybrid platform in the future.
This one is no hybrid, it's a plain NA 3cyl engine with marginally better efficiency while losing out on smoothness. Infact the USP of Maruti's K12 engine is the efficiency along with smoothness so all in all, end customer is on the losing side while Maruti is saving costs by chopping off a cylinder.
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DZire was always a popular car among the cabbies. Now with additional features like the sunroof, etc. it will also be in the consideration for the buyers who are looking for bigger hatchbacks.
Considering that the taxi image is as much as a deterrent for private buyers as the familiarity is a USP, I think there's a fair chance Maruti will rename it. Something like Dzire Esteem sounds good to me.

Remember that Maruti can keep producing the 3rd-gen Dzire as the Tour S for as long as it is still crash and emissions compliant, unlike the 2nd-gen which had to be discontinued before RDE meaning the 3rd-gen was sold to fleets and private buyers at the same time.
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The end customer is also saving a lot on fuel. It goes both ways. 3 cylinder engines from Suzuki have always been good, right from the F8 series that came in the 800 to the K10 series. Both these examples were fantastic engines for their size and competition. I will not comment on the Z12E till I get to drive it, but people in this forum itself have given good reviews about this engine even though everybody accepts that it is lacklustre on paper.

Coming to the 1200cc category, most of the competition have moved to 3 cylinders, barring Honda. It's not like Maruti is the only one offering a 3 cylinder engine in a sea of smooth 4 cylinders. The future is about efficiency, emissions and hybrids, whether we like it or not.

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The end customer is also saving a lot on fuel. It goes both ways. 3 cylinder engines from Suzuki have always been good, right from the F8 series that came in the 800 to the K10 series. Both these examples were fantastic engines for their size and competition. I will not comment on the Z12E till I get to drive it, but people in this forum itself have given good reviews about this engine even though everybody accepts that it is lacklustre on paper.

Coming to the 1200cc category, most of the competition have moved to 3 cylinders, barring Honda. It's not like Maruti is the only one offering a 3 cylinder engine in a sea of smooth 4 cylinders. The future is about efficiency, emissions and hybrids, whether we like it or not.
Having owned an Alto K10 myself as my first car, I can tell you that engine was far from fantastic in slow moving traffic and used to vibrate like anything at idle after few years. I've also seen this difference during my cab rides when I travel in wagon-r vs swift/xcent. When you work the clutch in B2B traffic, it's a 4cyl engine that picks up much smoother while the "efficient" 3cyl engine will give bad vibes everytime you try to lug it. Nothing can beat the inherent smoothness of 4cyl engine but I understand some people would be happy to trade somewhat better fuel efficiency with smoothness during long term ownership cycle. Be that as it may, it's a Honda or Hyundai for me in 1.2l segment if MS does away with it's K12 gem of an engine altogether.
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Having owned an Alto K10 myself as my first car, I can tell you that engine was far from fantastic in slow moving traffic and used to vibrate like anything at idle after few years. I've also seen this difference during my cab rides when I travel in wagon-r vs swift/xcent. When you work the clutch in B2B traffic, it's a 4cyl engine that picks up much smoother while the "efficient" 3cyl engine will give bad vibes everytime you try to lug it. Nothing can beat the inherent smoothness of 4cyl engine but I understand some people would be happy to trade somewhat better fuel efficiency with smoothness during long term ownership cycle. Be that as it may, it's a Honda or Hyundai for me in 1.2l segment if MS does away with it's K12 gem of an engine altogether.
Being an owner of the first gen Alto K10 for 12 years and counting, I beg to differ here.
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Having owned an Alto K10 myself as my first car, I can tell you that engine was far from fantastic in slow moving traffic and used to vibrate like anything at idle after few years. I've also seen this difference during my cab rides when I travel in wagon-r vs swift/xcent. When you work the clutch in B2B traffic, it's a 4cyl engine that picks up much smoother while the "efficient" 3cyl engine will give bad vibes everytime you try to lug it. Nothing can beat the inherent smoothness of 4cyl engine but I understand some people would be happy to trade somewhat better fuel efficiency with smoothness during long term ownership cycle. Be that as it may, it's a Honda or Hyundai for me in 1.2l segment if MS does away with it's K12 gem of an engine altogether.
Yes, there are vibrations, but we must remember that the K10 was built to a lower cost.

Drive the same engine in the celerio, which comes with better engine mounts and damping and you will feel the difference in vibrations. The swift will also fall into the same category.

Cars like the ecosport, Figo and freestyle used to come with 3 cylinder petrol engines (dragon series), same goes to the venue, sonet and i20 turbo petrols. The VW virtus, skoda slavia, skoda kushaq and VW taigun all comes with 3 cylinder turbo petrols as one of the engine options. All of these cars did not vibrate their way to oblivion just because they had 3 cylinders, and I am pretty sure there are other cars that fall in the same category which I missed. Yes, the inherent smoothness of a 4 cylinder is unmatched but the bottom-line is that the Alto K10 is not exactly the gold standard for a smooth 3 cylinder engine. It had a weak bottom end which I accept, but had great midrange punch, which made the engine fantastic in my opinion because I was ok with the bad bottom end response, which was somewhat masked due to the lightweight of the car.

I also own the K12N Swift and enjoy the smoothness and top end of the 4 cylinder a lot. Even though this engine is powerful on paper, it lacks life in the midrange. It is a laborious task going through the mid range of this engine during normal driving. Yes, if you floor it at lower gears it is still a fun engine, but nobody does that during daily driving. The Z12 seems to have improved on that from what we hear. Again, not my personal opinion till I get to drive it.

A 3 cylinder engine does not always mean bad news for me.
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