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Old 17th April 2024, 00:57   #16
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Re: Toyota Innova Hycross GX (O) Petrol variant launched at Rs 21 lakh

Autocar Reports a fuel efficiency 6.9 kmpl in city and 12.4 kmpl on highway.
The car has pathetic headlights. They have improved the features, but the feeling of driving a lower version will always persist IMO.
Let's see how market responds.

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Autocar Reports a fuel efficiency 6.9 kmpl in city and 12.4 kmpl on highway.
The car has pathetic headlights. They have improved the features, but the feeling of driving a lower version will always persist IMO.
Let's see how market responds.

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I had driven Hycross Petrol few months ago along with hybrid and my Corolla Altis petrol manual on same route (10kms of a mix of city+highway) and found the Petrol to be fairly frugal(with light feet).

I remember Hycross petrol returning around 11.5kmpl (hybrid around 16 and my corolla usually returns 12-12.5) so I think it is pretty efficient, Highways might easily see 13-14 kmpl for cruising speeds too.

I also found hycross to be better maneuverable as compared to XUV700 or Safari in city traffic conditions, which is why I am currently waiting for my hybrid(tempted to switch to GX optional)

Toyota has priced it well and might be looking to increase footfall in showrooms from those XUV/Harrier customers (may be even some Creta buyers)
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Re: Toyota Innova Hycross GX (O) Petrol variant launched at Rs 21 lakh

Is the official spec sheet out for GX (O) both 7 and 8 seater versions?
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Re: Toyota Innova Hycross GX (O) Petrol variant launched at Rs 21 lakh

The only sore point is a missing cruise control on this car otherwise GXO is the option to go for if not picking up any of its hybrid variants.

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Is the official spec sheet out for GX (O) both 7 and 8 seater versions?
The spec sheet is available.
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Bought a Innova Hycross GX without any waiting. I had option to wait for this GX(O) but few factors made me to go with lesser equipped GX variant.

While the added features are really good and are justified, thing is I don't miss them that much. The GX(O) gets following features over GX
1. 10.1 Touch Screen HU (7 Seater Only)
2. Soft Touch Dashboard with Dual Tone Chestnut Brown interiors.
3. Automatic Climate Control
4. 360 Degree Camera
5. Rear Sun Blinds (7 Seater Only)
6. LED Fog Lights
7. Rear Defogger
8. Front and Rear Parking Sensors
9. Premium Fabric Seats

Things like LED Fog lights, Sun Blinds, 360 Degree Camera, Seat Covers, Parking Sensors, Dual Tone Interiors, etc can be fitted aftermarket. Only things like Rear Defogger and Automatic Climate Control are only available as Factory fit. I don't remember when I used rear defogger last time. Not certainly in last 5 years, and regarding Climate Control, I tend to keep temperature constant and alter speed depending on heat load. So, I don't really miss it that much. Even in cars that have climate control, all i do is set temperature to Lo (Under Peak Heat Load) or around 20-21 degrees in normal conditions, I have never used Auto function.

Yeah, I am satisfied with what Hycross offers as a package. And trust me, this non hybrid is more car per money. Have already driven it for 18xx kms in last 10 days, nothing comes close to this beauty when it comes to Refinement, Ease of Driving, Ride and Handling, Space and Comfort. Performance is good and i am able to extract 14-15 kmpl (Tankful Method). If you master the art of driving a CVT, the Hycross will deliver you both on Performance and Fuel Efficiency. Overtaking is effortless despite the lack of motor assist and lag of CVT gearbox.

I would recommend prospective buyers of Hycross to consider GX/GX(O) if you're running is less than 10-12k/year. The price difference between non hybrid ans hybrid is too much. Only if tax is lowered on Hybrid versions, it'll make sense other wise, the non hybrid is much more VFM. Have cross checked with many Hycross buyers, Fuel Efficiency on open highways is around 16 kmpl. The difference is very small to even call a hybrid very efficient and non hybrid thirsty. In city drives, the hybrid version scores and some have reported average of 24 kmpl inside city. But since I have an EV for local city drives, this Hycross makes a great family car for long drives and outings. That was what I was looking for. Very happy with the car.

Any questions/queries, please feel free to ask.
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Old 18th April 2024, 22:52   #21
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Bought a Innova Hycross GX without any waiting. I had option to wait for this GX(O) but few factors made me to go with lesser equipped GX variant.

Yeah, I am satisfied with what Hycross offers as a package. And trust me, this non hybrid is more car per money. Have already driven it for 18xx kms in last 10 days, nothing comes close to this beauty when it comes to Refinement, Ease of Driving, Ride and Handling, Space and Comfort. Performance is good and i am able to extract 14-15 kmpl (Tankful Method). If you master the art of driving a CVT, the Hycross will deliver you both on Performance and Fuel Efficiency. Overtaking is effortless despite the lack of motor assist and lag of CVT gearbox.


Any questions/queries, please feel free to ask.
Congratulations Sir, Wow, thatís amazing mileage you are able to extract, can you share your driving style and some tips on driving CVT, itís been a year with Hycross Hybrid earlier I used to get good mileage above 18 but for the last 2,3 months it has come down or 15 I donít understand what I am doing wrong some CVT driving tips would be helpful.
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Bought a Innova Hycross GX without any waiting. I had option to wait for this GX(O) but few factors made me to go with lesser equipped GX variant.

Thanks for the review. I am in the exact same boat from usage perspective. I need a highway cruiser for 6 people. I won't be using it in city. So naturally I would be looking at the comfort, ride handling and ease of driving, overtaking and mileage as some of the important factors.

Have heard hycross has a good suspension and is very easy to manoeuvre.

How is the performance in hilly areas and during overtaking. Is the performance adequate with 6 or 7 people onboard ? Did you feel lack of power any point ?

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This overlaps with the Crysta pricing and seems to be a ploy to shift more private Crysta customers to Hycross. There are a lot of Hycross Taxis in Kerala now, even non-hybrids. So Taxi market is already shifting towards Hyrcoss. it is just a matter of redirecting any private buyers still requesting Crysta to Hycross. With the Hycross base model becoming a complete offering, there is no reason to pick a Crysta over Hycross now. I guess Toyota will discontinue Crysta shortly.
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This overlaps with the Crysta pricing and seems to be a ploy to shift more private Crysta customers to Hycross.
Its not only the pricing, Toyota has stopped producing the Crysta AT, hereby forcing people to pick the Hycross AT. The Crysta already has close to one year of waiting. What I came to know is, Toyota is gradually slowing down the production of the Crysta and at the end pull the plug. Hate to say this but i found the Crysta to be much more abuse friendly than the Hycross.
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The safety features include front and rear parking sensors, a 360-degree camera, an electronic parking brake with Auto-hold, all-wheel disc brakes, 6 airbags and ISOFIX child seat anchors.
Innova Crysta never came with 6 airbags in the 8 seater version . Now Hycross has this version . Is this due to BNCAP regulations? Can somebody with knowledge in this regard, comment on this.
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Innova Crysta never came with 6 airbags in the 8 seater version . Now Hycross has this version . Is this due to BNCAP regulations? Can somebody with knowledge in this regard, comment on this.
For a brief period in 2022, when there was just petrol crysta on sale, they had upgraded VX to 6 airbags from 2. I don't remember if it was updated on brochure.
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Just wanted to do the math on which one is better, Petrol or Hybrid.

Here is the analysis.

I have compared Hycross Petrol GX(O) and Hycross VX hybrid variant. This analysis is purely to identify which one provides better value for money.

The ex-showroom and on-road prices of both variants are listed below for the Hyderabad location.

Toyota Innova Hycross GX (O) Petrol variant launched at Rs 21 lakh-hy_1.png

An increase in ex-showroom price adds additional increases to on-road price.

The difference between ex-showroom prices is ~24%, but when it comes to on-road prices, the difference has swelled to ~31%.

The difference between on-road price of GX(O) and VX hybrid is ~7.8L. That means we are paying 7.8L extra for the hybrid variant.

Now, let's compare features quickly.

Toyota Innova Hycross GX (O) Petrol variant launched at Rs 21 lakh-hy_2.png

the biggest miss is the Cruise Control in the petrol variant. The remaining features can be managed or don't add a huge difference to the experience.

So, the question is, is it worth spending 7.8L extra for the Hybrid variant just for better mileage?

Let's do the math on how much can be saved on fuel costs.

Here are some of the assumptions:

1. Petrol prices would increase by 10% every year. I know this is super pessimistic but better be prepared.

2. Assume one would drive approx. 15K km per year.

3. Assume Petrol variant gives on an average 10KMPL mileage

4. Assume Hybrid variant gives on an average 18KMPL mileage

Toyota Innova Hycross GX (O) Petrol variant launched at Rs 21 lakh-hy_3.png

In the 8th Year at 1.2L KMS, one would be able to break even on fuel costs.

So, we can safely conclude that,

1. If your usage is less than 10K per year, it will take more than 10 years to break-even on the Hybrid, so it is better to choose the petrol variant from a financial perspective.

2. If your usage is greater than ~15K km per year, then buy a Hybrid variant. The higher the usage, one can quickly arrive at breakeven.

* I have not considered the increased complexity of Hybrids and battery cost as these are sporadic occurrences and can not be generalised for all.

3. Suzuki Invicto is a better alternative than Hycross VX at ~31L on-road price.
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2. If your usage is greater than ~15K km per year, then buy a Hybrid variant. The higher the usage, one can quickly arrive at breakeven.
Thanks for the calculations! However a 10% compounded annual increase in petrol price seems to be on the extreme side.

From 2014-2024 the price of petrol increased from around 72/l to 110/l. An increase from 110 to 256 in the next 10 years is highly unlikely based on current estimates.

Add to it the interest/returns on the additional capital and increase in maintenance costs for the hybrid, it becomes almost impossible to justify the 8l difference based on the increased mileage alone.

However the additional features of the VX plus improved performance of the hybrid can still make it a compelling upgrade.
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Thanks for the calculations! However a 10% compounded annual increase in petrol price seems to be on the extreme side.

From 2014-2024 the price of petrol increased from around 72/l to 110/l. An increase from 110 to 256 in the next 10 years is highly unlikely based on current estimates.

Add to it the interest/returns on the additional capital and increase in maintenance costs for the hybrid, it becomes almost impossible to justify the 8l difference based on the increased mileage alone.

However the additional features of the VX plus improved performance of the hybrid can still make it a compelling upgrade.
The 10% compounding of petrol price actually favours the hybrid and penalises the petrol only HyCross. If you reduce the fuel price increase, the break even point will increase further.

Fact is that there is no calculation which justifies the price premium for the hybrid for an overwhelming majority of buyers. You can make the case of the added feature list or the hybrid driving experience and torque boost, or just the satisfaction of buying the top variant. But the numbers can’t be justified objectively. 7-8L rupees is simply too much! And this is without including any potential maintenance the hybrid system may require over a decade of ownership. Or added interest and insurance costs.

GX(O) is all the Innova 90% of buyers will ever need. Most VFM variant of them all. It is the AX5 of the range.

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Re: Toyota Innova Hycross GX (O) Petrol variant launched at Rs 21 lakh

Even the missing features in GX(O) as compared to VX don't make that much of difference. Leather Steering Wheel and Gearknob can be wrapped aftermarket, Paddle shifters don't make much difference in CVT Gearbox.

TPMS is good feature but Toyota provides one as accessory so is the Indirect Blue Illumination. Hybrid and Petrol almost have same NVH so again acoustic glass is just a marketing gimmick in my books. Both Hybrid and Non Hybrid come with LED Headlights as standard, Hybrid gets Triple LED while Non Hybrid has Dual LED.

Non Hybrid has welcome lights but misses Puddle Lamps which I am sure can also be retrofitted. Cruise control can also be fitted, have seen mod of it, forgot to save the reel but i am 100% confident that it worked perfectly.

My question is, apart from Slightly Better Fuel Efficiency why does one want to spend extra money on Hybrid Version? Performance too isn't night and day. In Eco Mode, performance is blunted for sake of Efficiency while normal mode is good and Power mode makes the car very quick but the fuel efficiency drops very quickly too.
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