Delhi HC asks govt to phase out Diesel Cars !!

wolfinstein · 14th December 2007, 18:24

EU is contemplating Banning Diesel ULSD..!

Somethings really amuse me here...Diesel remains Diesel and always will pollute more than petrol...! However the point here is to Develop sense of awarness in maintaining vehicles in good shape and ensure that Pollution levels are kept down.

As of Now CSE submitted the report to SC with findings that Diesels are polluting 30 % more particulate matter than Petrol engines- Diesel engines are not limited to Cars but to Power Gensets running for Cellcom companies, Commercial aread, Institutions etc.

Indica or Skoda- If not maintained and serviced will Pollute....Irrespective !

As of now, The Goverment intends to Propose Pricing Diesels at par with Petrol- This with aim to reduce the Cost Benefit promoting Diesels in the NCR region.

anupmathur · 14th December 2007, 18:58

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Originally Posted by maddy42

Has someone had their brains for dinner?

No, they got blown out while breaking wind! That's the vicinity they were sitting in!

manojgautham · 14th December 2007, 19:09

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Originally Posted by Hyundai.Lover

What about Cabbies Diesel cars?
Indica, innova, qualis... Sumo... All Yuck.

the way they maintain them. Sometimes i feel like doing this

to them.

I agree on the Cabbies.. I was talking about Private cars

Eddy · 25th December 2007, 16:57

In the wake of a public hue and cry in recent weeks over polluting effects of diesel-run vehicles in the Capital, the Delhi Cabinet has decided to levy an environment cess of 25 paise per litre on diesel.

Read more here

rajtheindian · 25th December 2007, 17:10

[quote=wolfinstein;657978]EU is contemplating Banning Diesel ULSD..!

Somethings really amuse me here...Diesel remains Diesel and always will pollute more than petrol...! However the point here is to Develop sense of awarness in maintaining vehicles in good shape and ensure that Pollution levels are kept down.

As of Now CSE submitted the report to SC with findings that Diesels are polluting 30 % more particulate matter than Petrol engines- Diesel engines are not limited to Cars but to Power Gensets running for Cellcom companies, Commercial aread, Institutions etc.
/quote]

Yes you are right, however the harmful gas like CO2 are more in petrol, In UK car taxes are based on the CO2 emission, and diesels are haveing lesser tax compared to petrol ones.

Europe is moving towards diesel (CRDI), which reduces the emission and gives better milage.

BUSA · 25th December 2007, 17:16

I think there should be a limit laid in the consitution to putting cess and tax.

All the hue and cry is/was created by the cabinet itself.

vasudeva · 25th December 2007, 19:31

The last time something happened in Delhi (CNG on buses and autos) was not because of the Delhi Govt. but because of the Courts. Instead of banning diesel and diesel cars, it would be a much better idea to raise emission standards and perhaps go to the latest European and US standards for diesel emissions. Will 25 paise per litre make a difference and what will it achieve. Imagine a person driving 2000 km per month at 15 kmpl. That person uses 130 litres of diesel per month and 25 paise/litre more will not hurt him much.

Hyundai.Lover · 25th December 2007, 19:45

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Originally Posted by vasudeva

The last time something happened in Delhi (CNG on buses and autos) was not because of the Delhi Govt. but because of the Courts. Instead of banning diesel and diesel cars, it would be a much better idea to raise emission standards and perhaps go to the latest European and US standards for diesel emissions. Will 25 paise per litre make a difference and what will it achieve. Imagine a person driving 2000 km per month at 15 kmpl. That person uses 130 litres of diesel per month and 25 paise/litre more will not hurt him much.

Same ques. What about the cabbies? yesterday itself i had seen a Sumo, giving a black smoke like anything, it was that much one can feel a foggy environment infront of windshield in a sunny day.
What will happen? these people will bribe Pollution check up guys and they will get cleared once again.
how govt. will tackle this? Fine? lol you know what they will do... again bribe.
Correct me if i'm wrong.

Eddy · 25th December 2007, 19:46

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Originally Posted by vasudeva

The last time something happened in Delhi (CNG on buses and autos) was not because of the Delhi Govt. but because of the Courts. Instead of banning diesel and diesel cars, it would be a much better idea to raise emission standards and perhaps go to the latest European and US standards for diesel emissions. Will 25 paise per litre make a difference and what will it achieve. Imagine a person driving 2000 km per month at 15 kmpl. That person uses 130 litres of diesel per month and 25 paise/litre more will not hurt him much.

25 paise is not a deterrent to people using diesel cars. The logic being given is that the money collected through this (approx 48 cr) will be used to give tax sops to CNG vehicles, especially the diesel ones converting to cng.

Hyundai.Lover · 25th December 2007, 19:49

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Originally Posted by Eddy

25 paise is not a deterrent to people using diesel cars. The logic being given is that the money collected through this (approx 48 cr) will be used to give tax sops to CNG vehicles, especially the diesel ones converting to cng.

I read somewhere that CNG is not good for diesel cars. Buses are ok with it. but it will harm diesel cars like anything.

wolfinstein · 25th December 2007, 20:30

Don't know how good or bad it is to convert a Diesel engine into CNG, But the conversion is expensive and laborious- Close to likes of 75 to 80,000.

With more XETA's I see running as Taxi's, I'm happy that the Operators are also now becoming Cost concious.

More or Less, Have come across an Innova Taxi recently with a CNG Fitted system- I wish that more companies offer multi varients in CNG and LPG.

About negating the usage of Diesel, I feel it will not be easy to stop Diesel vehicles, but promotion of CNG and LPG will def help a lot to ease Pollution levels along with reduced emmissions.

Hyundai.Lover · 25th December 2007, 20:39

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Originally Posted by wolfinstein

Don't know how good or bad it is to convert a Diesel engine into CNG, But the conversion is expensive and laborious- Close to likes of 75 to 80,000.

With more XETA's I see running as Taxi's, I'm happy that the Operators are also now becoming Cost concious.

More or Less, Have come across an Innova Taxi recently with a CNG Fitted system- I wish that more companies offer multi varients in CNG and LPG.

About negating the usage of Diesel, I feel it will not be easy to stop Diesel vehicles, but promotion of CNG and LPG will def help a lot to ease Pollution levels along with reduced emmissions.

Correct. But it will be helpful for the family cars not for the cabbies. they will still look to save even a single penny.

RishiSuri · 26th December 2007, 08:51

Metro Now newspaper which is a supplement with Times of India said that the decision to phase out diesel cars has beens stopped.

Right now a cess of 25p/Litre has been levied which will be used to phase out old diesel vehicles.. So nothing to worry about..

A media hype and nothing else ....of phasing out diesel cars and blah blah things.
Imagine would TATA let this happen (back bone of transport in India especially diesel) All foreign brands launching diesel cars would they stop the FDI and forex coming in?

Hyundai.Lover · 26th December 2007, 11:32

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Originally Posted by RishiSuri

Metro Now newspaper which is a supplement with Times of India said that the decision to phase out diesel cars has beens stopped.

Right now a cess of 25p/Litre has been levied which will be used to phase out old diesel vehicles.. So nothing to worry about..

A media hype and nothing else ....of phasing out diesel cars and blah blah things.
Imagine would TATA let this happen (back bone of transport in India especially diesel) All foreign brands launching diesel cars would they stop the FDI and forex coming in?

Now what about Global Warming? Remember after 5 years what will happen to glaciers?

India is on the 4th place in terms of pollution i think. Correct me if i'm wrong. China is doing a great job in controlling the pollution. All street hawkers gone, control on population cool one and a perfect way to control population.

Trucks, Roadways and pvt. buses, cabbies Pollution Pollution Pollution. Govt. #%#%SD will not do anything on this and manmohan singh told in a press conference that we will not stop our growth because of pollution factor. $%^6 #$%#$% Sonia Gandhi.

vijit.gangwar · 3rd February 2008, 09:46

Guys is there any further info on the diesel car ban in Delhi.

14th December 2007, 18:24	#106
wolfinstein BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 994 Thanked: 20 Times	EU is contemplating Banning Diesel ULSD..! Somethings really amuse me here...Diesel remains Diesel and always will pollute more than petrol...! However the point here is to Develop sense of awarness in maintaining vehicles in good shape and ensure that Pollution levels are kept down. As of Now CSE submitted the report to SC with findings that Diesels are polluting 30 % more particulate matter than Petrol engines- Diesel engines are not limited to Cars but to Power Gensets running for Cellcom companies, Commercial aread, Institutions etc. Indica or Skoda- If not maintained and serviced will Pollute....Irrespective ! As of now, The Goverment intends to Propose Pricing Diesels at par with Petrol- This with aim to reduce the Cost Benefit promoting Diesels in the NCR region.
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25th December 2007, 16:57	#109
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 9,387 Thanked: 13,301 Times	Environment Cess of 25p on diesel In the wake of a public hue and cry in recent weeks over polluting effects of diesel-run vehicles in the Capital, the Delhi Cabinet has decided to levy an environment cess of 25 paise per litre on diesel. Read more here
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25th December 2007, 17:10	#110
rajtheindian BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Syracuse, US Posts: 247 Thanked: 7 Times	[quote=wolfinstein;657978]EU is contemplating Banning Diesel ULSD..! Somethings really amuse me here...Diesel remains Diesel and always will pollute more than petrol...! However the point here is to Develop sense of awarness in maintaining vehicles in good shape and ensure that Pollution levels are kept down. As of Now CSE submitted the report to SC with findings that Diesels are polluting 30 % more particulate matter than Petrol engines- Diesel engines are not limited to Cars but to Power Gensets running for Cellcom companies, Commercial aread, Institutions etc. /quote] Yes you are right, however the harmful gas like CO2 are more in petrol, In UK car taxes are based on the CO2 emission, and diesels are haveing lesser tax compared to petrol ones. Europe is moving towards diesel (CRDI), which reduces the emission and gives better milage.
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25th December 2007, 17:16	#111
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	I think there should be a limit laid in the consitution to putting cess and tax. All the hue and cry is/was created by the cabinet itself. Last edited by BUSA : 25th December 2007 at 17:17.
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25th December 2007, 19:31	#112
vasudeva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 2,221 Thanked: 212 Times	The last time something happened in Delhi (CNG on buses and autos) was not because of the Delhi Govt. but because of the Courts. Instead of banning diesel and diesel cars, it would be a much better idea to raise emission standards and perhaps go to the latest European and US standards for diesel emissions. Will 25 paise per litre make a difference and what will it achieve. Imagine a person driving 2000 km per month at 15 kmpl. That person uses 130 litres of diesel per month and 25 paise/litre more will not hurt him much.
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25th December 2007, 20:30	#116
wolfinstein BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 994 Thanked: 20 Times	Don't know how good or bad it is to convert a Diesel engine into CNG, But the conversion is expensive and laborious- Close to likes of 75 to 80,000. With more XETA's I see running as Taxi's, I'm happy that the Operators are also now becoming Cost concious. More or Less, Have come across an Innova Taxi recently with a CNG Fitted system- I wish that more companies offer multi varients in CNG and LPG. About negating the usage of Diesel, I feel it will not be easy to stop Diesel vehicles, but promotion of CNG and LPG will def help a lot to ease Pollution levels along with reduced emmissions.
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26th December 2007, 08:51	#118
RishiSuri BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 264 Thanked: 84 Times View My Garage	Metro Now newspaper which is a supplement with Times of India said that the decision to phase out diesel cars has beens stopped. Right now a cess of 25p/Litre has been levied which will be used to phase out old diesel vehicles.. So nothing to worry about.. A media hype and nothing else ....of phasing out diesel cars and blah blah things. Imagine would TATA let this happen (back bone of transport in India especially diesel) All foreign brands launching diesel cars would they stop the FDI and forex coming in?
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3rd February 2008, 09:46	#120
vijit.gangwar BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Noida Posts: 119 Thanked: 78 Times	Guys is there any further info on the diesel car ban in Delhi.
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