Delhi HC asks govt to phase out Diesel Cars !!

LandCruiser · 4th February 2008, 10:58

If GOVT is so serious it can give a rating to each car that is launched in India on some pollution benchmark. Some of the details could be:

1. Average mileage per litre of fuel.
2. Max amount of toxic gases emitted per litre of fuel burnt.

And people will be wise enough to go for the better cars that pollute and automatically manufacturers will be pushed to sell less polluting cars. Also hybrid cars need to be pushed in big way by giving tax cuts etc. No point is just the court ruling out something.

Prithvi · 4th February 2008, 11:07

This is nothing but high headness of the government! Today most of the top tech car as diesel as the tech as gone so much for the better than the old engines.

Tell the government to stop all the old diesel & petrol vehicles which are over 20 years or 15 years. Improve the roads first.

srishiva · 4th February 2008, 11:17

Every now and then there will be some decision to ban something. This is the result of not thinking clearly. They are always in the reactive mode. They should sit down and lay down norms like following EU or US standards. This would require a lot of investment in the refining industry and will not be cheap. Put a later date so that it could be done.

Recently when Bengaluru autos went off the road, people saw that there was a good improvement in air quality. However, some government authority said that since most autos were running on LPG now, it shouldn't have been the case. We have morons who know nothing about pollution working towards controlling it.

Next time before India and other developing countries start challenging the developed countries, they need to see that the short term consequences and moreover health related consequences will be more on us.

gd1418 · 4th February 2008, 12:15

Why is it that we have a surgical process only as a remedy to our ills? Diesels pollute a lot more than petrol, so ban them. Something else is not manageable, ban that as well.

There are stringent pollution control laws. Why can't they be enforced? Why can't the pullution checking auhtority carry a portable unit and check vehicles at random? If the vehicle is found guilty inspite of having a PUC, impose a heavy fine then & there. Later, penalise the PUC issuing agency as well. Things will improve.

In European & other countries they haven't banned diesels. They have stringent norms.

Banning is not the cure for all.

tsk1979 · 4th February 2008, 12:23

A point to ponder.
Percentage of diesel cars in Europe is much higher than in India, and yet they have lower pollution levels.
Must be rocket science, or our politicians are too dumb to figure out something called pollution norms.
Or maybe its protecting the refineries.
Giving Low Sulfur diesel means extensive investments.
Considering how all Public sector OilCos are making losses already, giving out L.S.D without any increase in diesel price will put even higher burden on exchequer.

snaronikar · 4th February 2008, 12:58

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

A point to ponder.
Percentage of diesel cars in Europe is much higher than in India, and yet they have lower pollution levels.
Must be rocket science, or our politicians are too dumb to figure out something called pollution norms.
Or maybe its protecting the refineries.
Giving Low Sulfur diesel means extensive investments.
Considering how all Public sector OilCos are making losses already, giving out L.S.D without any increase in diesel price will put even higher burden on exchequer.

to the points you have mentioned.

saintsinner · 5th February 2008, 04:18

Great points GD bhai and tanveer. why don't they check those 407's or LP's or Dumpers whihc pollute the environment? passenger cars are Euro 2 or 3 - some may not be. but you CAN'T BAN DIESEL VEHICLES!
Why ban when there is a solution?

vijit.gangwar · 16th February 2008, 15:42

THE CENTRAL government has refused to approve the Delhi government's proposal to ban diesel cars in the Capital. The state government had sent an official request to the Centre, seeking action against diesel vehicles following reports of increasing pollution levels. In a letter to Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dik****, Union Minister for Shipping, Road Transport and Highways T.R. Baalu said the central government did not have the mandate to prohibit registration of motor vehicles plying on a particular type of fuel, such as diesel. The Minister cited the Motor Vehicles Act, 1988 to justify his decision. In her letter to Baalu, Dik**** had sought the Centre's nod to ban the registration of diesel cars. Dik**** stated that the benefits of converting public transport to CNG were being negated with a phenomenal increase in personal diesel cars. She had also asked for a separate set of emission norms for motor vehicles in the Na- tional Capital Region (NCR). Baalu's letter, a copy of which is with HT, said that as per the roadmap suggested by the Dr R.A. Mashlekar Committee on auto fuel policy, BS-IV emission norms were proposed to be introduced in NCR with effect from April 1, 2010. "Introduction of tighter emission norms is dependent on the availability of corre- sponding fuel quality, better engine technology and testing infrastructure available with the testing agencies," Baalu said in his letter He said the matter was taken up with the Ministry of Petroleum and natural Gas to advance the date of introduction of BS-IV norms in NCR and 11 mega-cities in the country "They have expressed their inability to so," the letter informed Dik****. Putting the ball in the Delhi Government's court, Baalu reminded that the state governments were empowered to lay down strict Pollution Under Control (PUC) norms if they had sufficient infrastructure. A senior Delhi government official said that they had examined the letter and would explore how the PUC norms could be further tightened and enforced in the city ashukla@hindustantimes.com FACTS AND FIGURES 118,631 was the number of diosel cars in Delhi in 2006 1.45 lakh is the figure at present Centre for Science and Environment says this is equivalent to adding emissions from nearly 30,000 buses. 45,000 Light Commercial Vehicles with national permits run by diesel also ply in the city.

gopalnayak · 16th February 2008, 20:30

Correct me if I am wrong, I though CRDI technology is greener than petrol engine technology. If I am not wrong, then the ban should be on Petrol engines

I think the wiser way out would be to have tighter emission norms with retrospective effect.

4th February 2008, 10:58	#121
LandCruiser BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 712 Thanked: 51 Times View My Garage	If GOVT is so serious it can give a rating to each car that is launched in India on some pollution benchmark. Some of the details could be: 1. Average mileage per litre of fuel. 2. Max amount of toxic gases emitted per litre of fuel burnt. And people will be wise enough to go for the better cars that pollute and automatically manufacturers will be pushed to sell less polluting cars. Also hybrid cars need to be pushed in big way by giving tax cuts etc. No point is just the court ruling out something.
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4th February 2008, 11:07	#122
Prithvi BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: BANGALORE Posts: 302 Thanked: 25 Times	This is nothing but high headness of the government! Today most of the top tech car as diesel as the tech as gone so much for the better than the old engines. Tell the government to stop all the old diesel & petrol vehicles which are over 20 years or 15 years. Improve the roads first.
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4th February 2008, 11:17	#123
srishiva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 4,375 Thanked: 2,256 Times	Every now and then there will be some decision to ban something. This is the result of not thinking clearly. They are always in the reactive mode. They should sit down and lay down norms like following EU or US standards. This would require a lot of investment in the refining industry and will not be cheap. Put a later date so that it could be done. Recently when Bengaluru autos went off the road, people saw that there was a good improvement in air quality. However, some government authority said that since most autos were running on LPG now, it shouldn't have been the case. We have morons who know nothing about pollution working towards controlling it. Next time before India and other developing countries start challenging the developed countries, they need to see that the short term consequences and moreover health related consequences will be more on us.
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4th February 2008, 12:15	#124
gd1418 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 3,578 Thanked: 728 Times View My Garage	Why is it that we have a surgical process only as a remedy to our ills? Diesels pollute a lot more than petrol, so ban them. Something else is not manageable, ban that as well. There are stringent pollution control laws. Why can't they be enforced? Why can't the pullution checking auhtority carry a portable unit and check vehicles at random? If the vehicle is found guilty inspite of having a PUC, impose a heavy fine then & there. Later, penalise the PUC issuing agency as well. Things will improve. In European & other countries they haven't banned diesels. They have stringent norms. Banning is not the cure for all. Last edited by gd1418 : 4th February 2008 at 12:16.
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4th February 2008, 12:23	#125
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,823 Times View My Garage	A point to ponder. Percentage of diesel cars in Europe is much higher than in India, and yet they have lower pollution levels. Must be rocket science, or our politicians are too dumb to figure out something called pollution norms. Or maybe its protecting the refineries. Giving Low Sulfur diesel means extensive investments. Considering how all Public sector OilCos are making losses already, giving out L.S.D without any increase in diesel price will put even higher burden on exchequer.
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5th February 2008, 04:18	#127
saintsinner BANNED Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Noida Posts: 612 Thanked: 11 Times	Great points GD bhai and tanveer. why don't they check those 407's or LP's or Dumpers whihc pollute the environment? passenger cars are Euro 2 or 3 - some may not be. but you CAN'T BAN DIESEL VEHICLES! Why ban when there is a solution?
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16th February 2008, 15:42	#128
vijit.gangwar BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Noida Posts: 119 Thanked: 78 Times	THE CENTRAL government has refused to approve the Delhi government's proposal to ban diesel cars in the Capital. The state government had sent an official request to the Centre, seeking action against diesel vehicles following reports of increasing pollution levels. In a letter to Delhi Chief Minister Sheila Dik**, Union Minister for Shipping, Road Transport and Highways T.R. Baalu said the central government did not have the mandate to prohibit registration of motor vehicles plying on a particular type of fuel, such as diesel. The Minister cited the Motor Vehicles Act, 1988 to justify his decision. In her letter to Baalu, Dik had sought the Centre's nod to ban the registration of diesel cars. Dik stated that the benefits of converting public transport to CNG were being negated with a phenomenal increase in personal diesel cars. She had also asked for a separate set of emission norms for motor vehicles in the Na- tional Capital Region (NCR). Baalu's letter, a copy of which is with HT, said that as per the roadmap suggested by the Dr R.A. Mashlekar Committee on auto fuel policy, BS-IV emission norms were proposed to be introduced in NCR with effect from April 1, 2010. "Introduction of tighter emission norms is dependent on the availability of corre- sponding fuel quality, better engine technology and testing infrastructure available with the testing agencies," Baalu said in his letter He said the matter was taken up with the Ministry of Petroleum and natural Gas to advance the date of introduction of BS-IV norms in NCR and 11 mega-cities in the country "They have expressed their inability to so," the letter informed Dik**. Putting the ball in the Delhi Government's court, Baalu reminded that the state governments were empowered to lay down strict Pollution Under Control (PUC) norms if they had sufficient infrastructure. A senior Delhi government official said that they had examined the letter and would explore how the PUC norms could be further tightened and enforced in the city ashukla@hindustantimes.com FACTS AND FIGURES 118,631 was the number of diosel cars in Delhi in 2006 1.45 lakh is the figure at present Centre for Science and Environment says this is equivalent to adding emissions from nearly 30,000 buses. 45,000 Light Commercial Vehicles with national permits run by diesel also ply in the city.
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16th February 2008, 20:30	#129
gopalnayak BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 63 Thanked: 30 Times	CRDI engines are cleaner than petrols Correct me if I am wrong, I though CRDI technology is greener than petrol engine technology. If I am not wrong, then the ban should be on Petrol engines I think the wiser way out would be to have tighter emission norms with retrospective effect.
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