Team-BHP - Will 2025 be the last year for the mighty Innova Crysta?

The Crysta has had its time. I have voted Yes due to the following reasons:

The Crysta was indeed forcibly axed by Toyota like the earlier generations when a new one was introduced. But due to high waiting times for hybrid and cab market not yet understanding the hybrid concept forced them to reintroduce the diesel Crysta in manual avatar
Today the scene has changed entirely. There are good numbers of Hybrid Hycross being sold for fleet market.
There is high amount of shift towards the cheaper option - Ertiga. It offers a lot for the price and is also showing up in high numbers in the fleet market.

The only reason they Crysta can continue to sell is because the company can manage to continue production for a bit longer until any new regulations come. Thats a good opportunity for the company to fill in the price gap between a Hybrid Hycross and the lower bracket of Rumion/Ertiga with a diesel offering since the Petrol/CNG Hycross isn't such a good option.

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Originally Posted by GTO (Post 5890047)

A completely different animal too = oldschool body on frame diesel compared to the monocoque Innova Hycross petrol.

Exactly!

In my case, my head votes for Crysta 2.4 diesel as my 2018 Safari Storme replacement. Crysta doesn't pull any heart strings, but for people like me doing 30000 km a year consistently, it's a no nonsense workhorse.

Hycross does feel more like a maruti suzuki than a toyota. The Ottoman seats and NVH are the only positives over the Crysta for our usage.

If Mahindra can continue Bolero Neo, toyota definitely should continue Crysta as long as diesels are banned by our over-zealous NGT.

I bought Crysta Z diesel automatic just before it is discontinued for on road price of 3.15 million rupees in Bangalore. It is not cheap anymore. it is a valuable possession and would fetch more than cost price if sold after a couple of years.

The reason why I bought super white Crysta Z diesel automatic:

1. Riding on its captain seats with a chauffeur is nothing short of a luxury car and it goes unnoticed in public eye. This is the reason it is very popular among celebrities to escape public attention and same time have a comfortable ride.

2. Most of Government cars are white Crystas given for executives. It fits perfectly for this purpose. I cannot imagine an IAS collector going in any other car like Maruti etc.

3. It is a darling of fleet owners as it would last a million miles.

Diesel vehicles will all get a beating shortly due to stricter pollution norms. It is not only Crysta. May be Toyota will stop selling the vehicle to private owners completely but only to Government and fleet owners before pulling the plug. Pulling the plug or a blanket ban on Diesels will not happen in India without a lot of drama and even Supreme Court will get into it as Diesel is the fuel on which India commercial truck industry is running and is backbone to our economy.

Earlier, my company cabs used to be flush with a mix of the old gen Innova and Crysta.
But now I see a marked deviation in the fleet and there are a lot more petrol variants of Carens and ertigas .

I spoke with one of the Cabbies using a Carens Petrol and he said that his petrol variant costs 3.5L less than the diesel and could easily finance him for 2L km extra even with 10/11 kmpl.

I guess the cab market is also adopting to Petrol now since the cost differential is thin and life of Diesel in general seems to be in doubt.

If Toyota wanted to sunset Crysta, they wouldn't have brought it back after Hycross launch.

Toyota will see every paisa worth of R&D investment made on making the engine BS6 Stage1 and 2 compliant. And earn fat profits, while at it.

We will see the Crysta on sale until BS7 emissions are implemented.

Crysta entry point is 25L and Hycross hybrid entry point is 33L. Even without getting into technicalities, I don't see how buyers will overlap. If Toyota makes the powertrain locally and reduce that input cost, then we might see a drop in sales. Otherwise no, Crysta is here to stay for another 5.5 years.

After speaking to a Toyota salesperson, the answer is most likely YES!:crying

Here is some context:
Toyota came to my apartment on Saturday and set up a booth with 2 cars-
- A Black Fortuner 4X4 AT(beautiful)
- A Bronze Crysta ZX MT (luxurious)

Here are some questions I asked the people in charge, and here are the answers.

Will the Crysta be discontinued?
Yes, 2025 will most likely be the last year for both Fortuner and Crysta

Why is there not a AT option for the ZX atleast?
To promote Hycross sales as much as possible

Why wasnt there a 6 speed manual for the Crysta?
At launch, the 2.4 MT was adequate with 5 gears given the AT option. He told it was too late to add a 6 speed manual. He agrees that the 6 speed should have come during the BS6 2020 update.

How much does the 6 speed cost over the 5 speed
Its only 50-60k for the extra gear

He also allowed me to sit in the both the cars, and complimented my Toyota and car knowledge. I asked him to save me a Black ZX MT Crysta : )

Some points I observed while sitting in both cars:

Fortuner:
- First time in it
- VERY commanding driving position
-Black is the best colour
-Luxurious interior

Crysta
-Given that we have a GX, this ZX feels so much luxurious, given the tan interior, electric seats, 3d dials etc.
-THE CLUTCH IS REALLY LIGHT. I rowed through the gears while it was parked(I dont think I should do that, sorry), and it feels very slick to shift. 2023 facelift is the best Crysta to drive due to this alone.
-Gear knob still does MJ dance on startup.

Hope they come again, sorry I couldnt attach any pics, I didnt have my phone.
Hope this answers the big question of this thread.

If I was in the market for a Crysta, I would never touch a Hycross.

When we got the Crysta in 2022 October, if they had told us 'You can't get the Crysta Diesel Auto' but you can have the Hycross Petrol Auto', we would have not got a car at all and saved a couple of years more for a Fortuner Diesel Auto, but not got the Hycross.

I think when someone goes to buy a Crysta, he wants a Crysta.

The Crysta and the Hycross are very different vehicles even though they share the same namesake. For some use cases Crysta makes perfect sense. There is nothing more soothing than to ride the torque of a big turbo diesel on a highway. I hope they keep the Crysta alive.

Also actually having a Diesel helps in meeting CAFE norms. CAFE norms only look at CO2 emissions. Diesel actually has less CO2 emission than petrol.

Voting for NO!!

I don't think Crysta would be phased out at least until the waiting period/demand of Hycross is normalized. Toyota is known for encashing each and every bit of their vehicles in the name of reliability. If there are still takers for the outdated Fortuner at 60L there is no way Crysta would be phased out by Toyota. Also, Crysta being a poplar pick for the commercial vehicle market as well.

It is the bolero of under 25 lac