Team-BHP - Pay traffic e-challan within 3 months or lose driving license

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Originally Posted by fspeed100 (Post 5949668)

My car’s registered under my wife’s name, but she doesn’t even have a driver’s license. So if there’s a pending challan, how on earth are they going to connect my license to a car that’s in her name?

If the offense is a driver offense (signal jumping etc.) then the established procedure is to demand that the RC owner produce the person who was driving the vehicle at the time of offense, and if the owner fails to do so / refuses to do so, presume that they themselves were driving the vehicle. In your case, your wife will be deemed to have been driving the vehicle without a license and will have to bear the fine for that offense also.

If the offense is a vehicle offense (illegal parking, for example) then no such requirement, of course.

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Originally Posted by It's Magic (Post 5949618)

It might look very good on paper, but it raises more questions than answers.

What happens if you receive a challan late, or never receive it at all? This happened to me a few years ago when I suddenly received a challan message with an e-challan generation date from several months prior. Additionally, is it easier to get a license reactivated quickly once I pay my dues? In an ideal world, it should automatically trigger the reactivation of the license as soon as the fine is paid.

I also don't think the person driving the vehicle at the time the challan was issued matters much here (of course, cases of vehicle theft or someone using your number plate are different). As it's your vehicle, you are liable to pay the fine for it.

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Originally Posted by Small Bot (Post 5949665)

Exactly. I got an SMS more than three months later for a speeding charge on East Coast Road. How fair is it if I'm already late right at the moment when I get the stupid challan?

Good intentions, but poor and incompetent implementation will damn this idea.

According to Indian law, 'ignorance is not a bliss but a liability' as government posts everything online and it's citizens' responsibility to find out and work on it. So if you don't get a message, the government doesn't care and it's finally our problem.

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Originally Posted by binand (Post 5949772)

If the offense is a driver offense (signal jumping etc.)

All this works if a cop physically issues you a challan.

In the case of speeding on highway, it is not interactive and is issued on the car. This has happened to me in Maharashtra and Telangana on a TN registered car.

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Originally Posted by LongDrives (Post 5949805)

the government doesn't care and it's finally our problem.

Last 2-3 years I check on TS and MH portals on the lead up to a long drive :p

Well, this move atleast makes an attempt (than do nothing) to drive 'some' compliance. Let us concede that compliance can only trickle in from penalties (and not from goodness of heart)

Time bound settlement of challans is a welcome move, while one can debate about the consequences set. I also hope this will minimise the need to flag down a vehicle dangerously, inconvenience the traffic flow to issue spot fines. Let there be consequences in insurance premiums to blissfully ignorant errant drivers.

While we can split hairs about specific scenarios where the proposal will not work, as an obsessively law abiding driver; I am keen to see this materialise.

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Originally Posted by narayans80 (Post 5949829)

Don't know how it is done nowadays (haven't had a speeding challan in at least 8 years now!), but back in the day when I got an automated one - NH 544 in Kerala between Palakkad and Thrissur - I had to enter my license number in the online form to make the payment.

But logically, if you have detected a vehicle to be overspeeding, the fine has to be tagged to the individual who was driving the vehicle at the time. The law itself refers to the person driving thus ("whoever, drives a motor vehicle in contravention of the speed limits... shall be punishable with fine").

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Originally Posted by TusharK (Post 5949446)

The government has proposed a series of measures to increase the recovery of traffic fines and penalize drivers for non-compliance. As per new draft rules, driving licenses could be suspended for non-payment of traffic e-challans.

It should be other way around.

If govt fails to collect or prosecute within certain time frame then case should expire/dissolve automatically.

This puts onus on officials.

Current draft makes criminals out of ordinary*citizens!

I have got SMS for a challan for my car at Mysore. When I look up in KarnatakaOne website, I can see the entry but no photos of the traffic violation. I wanted to verify it is not a wrong one. I emailed automationpubbcp@ksp.gov.in and the response was that there is no challan against my vehicle. The email also said, I can check the details using this app - ASTraM APP
https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...gnid=web_share

What should the next step? Should I go to a nearby traffic police station? The violation doesn't show up in Vahan site.

Online redressal system missing:

I am surprised nobody talked about redressal system for wrong challans here!

There should be an online mechanism to contest the challans.

If a challan is wrongly issued, they expect the person concerned to visit some police/traffic police office, which is very inconvenient and time consuming, and is a punishment in itself for no fault of the individual!

If Govt. is moving to electronic communication for efficiency, why can't it be the same way in both the directions (Govt. to individual and individual to Govt.)?

They first need to have some simple system/mechanism to resolve frivolous cases quickly, then only they can better focus on genuine defaulters seriously!

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Originally Posted by LongDrives (Post 5949475)

I have a doubt here.

The car is mine, but someone else is driving my car. There are multiple offences for wrongful parking and signal jumping where the picture of the driver is not captured. Still will I as a owner be impounded and can I be punished for the offences? Will it be my responsibility to declare the person at fault?

I feel our vehicle Insurance and Taxation system is flawed and allows for people violating rules with no clear path of recovering penalty money from offenders. In the UK for example when you have to insure the car, you need to specify who will be driving the car as well. That way, the car is insured for own damage ONLY if it is driven by the designated drivers. You can add drivers in the list as needed with increase in premium amount and remove them later. In case the car is driven by a non-designated driver and is involved in an accident, only third party insurance is covered. Car's health and offences information is made available to insurance companies.

If we implement this in India, half of our problems will be solved.
This way no one will drive someone else's car without insurance (fear of no insurance money on own damage) and owners will think twice before handing over car to risky drivers as their car's insurance premium also increases. Taxi usage will increase as well.

Overspeeding (not amounting to dangerous driving), no parking tickets can be automated in such cases, while dangerous driving offences (racing, extremely high speeds, no entry/wrong way, drunk driving etc) tickets can be handed over on the spot by police physically to the driver and also link them to the car.

Insurance companies can get a record of offences linked to the car and whether penalties were paid thus allowing users to renew insurance. Additionally, Driver's bad history will increase premium amount.

Re-registration will not be possible unless all challans are paid anyway.

We Indian's love our money more than anything else, and we don't like spending money for someone else's benefit (Government/Insurance companies) :D As things stand, the only sure shot way currently of getting in touch with a car's owner once car is sold is through annual Insurance renewal. I am not sure what is stopping authorities from having a tax renewal and health check on yearly basis when the car goes to annual service.

I stay in Patna,Bihar and here all the PUC centers are under strict guidance not to renew the PUC of any vehicle unless chalan is cleared. This is one way to get the challan payment done as not having PUC will put people at risk of bigger challans.
Though the challan system simply exploits the common man as E-Rikshaw and autos blatantly break traffic rules and its very common to spot 2-wheelers without helmets, I have seen police standing with speed cameras and nowhere near is a speed limit sign. I have seen no parking challan without the image of the car.

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Originally Posted by NiInJa (Post 5950549)

In India hiring a driver is affordable and we can hire and fire by the day or hour. And many owners prefer to be chauffer driven and owner takes a back seat. Western system defines to specify who will be driving and can be pre-notified. That is the exact loop in India where we can escape in a hit and run case, where you can say the driver was hired by the hour and has escaped and don't know him and do not have any proof of his identity. Benefits of cheap labour.