[DirtyDan]

You guys are really cluttering up this thread with a lot of idle speculation and Mahindra-Tata polemics. It makes for dreary reading. The facts, equipment options and prices, will be known soon enough.

My question, is this new 2.2L engine really new or has it been tried and tested internationally? I am thinking of buying a 2008 but I really do not want the 2.2L if it is REALLY new.

[dadu]

Yep! its new, developed in collaboration with AVL of Austria on a fresh engine block.

They would have done their own inhouse testing, its yet to be launched by M&M, safari 2.2 is already out (same by AVL).

Originally Posted by DirtyDan

My question, is this new 2.2L engine really new or has it been tried and tested internationally? I am thinking of buying a 2008 but I really do not want the 2.2L if it is REALLY new.

[shatrughna]

I am waiting , waiting and keeping fingers crossed. No matter what but they must give lumbar support and driver seat height adjustment and seat belt height adjustment options. Hope someone at M&M is also tracking TBHP for inputs. Hello there! few prospective customers are ready with their cheques - mine is ready - if you have an auto tranny too! Please.

[suman]

Originally Posted by DirtyDan

You guys are really cluttering up this thread with a lot of idle speculation and Mahindra-Tata polemics. It makes for dreary reading. The facts, equipment options and prices, will be known soon enough.

No offense but maybe you need to pick up a bestseller instead if you want excitement.

IMHO, any thread about a vehicle that has not been launched yet would, in the most part, be a lot of speculation. So what's with the "cluttering" etc

[DirtyDan]

Originally Posted by dadu

Yep! its new, developed in collaboration with AVL of Austria on a fresh engine block.

Thanks for this very USEFUL bit of information, Dadu. It is hard to believe that they are going to save so much weight going from 2.6L to 2.2L that it would dramatically effect the handling as some people have claimed. There may be other reasons in addition to weight saving as well for going to the smaller engine, 'ay?

[extreme_torque]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Because when a company says "Pay 25K extra and get ABS and Airbags" people ask why?
Same thing here. For 20-25K more Mahindra will give cruise control. Simple. Those who ask "why" will take a lower spec model.
Considering the sales volumes of scorpio(more than twice that of safari) and cost of production(definitely less than safari) its not unthinkable that a slightly higher spec model of Mahindra costs less than the similar stuff in safari.

In anycase I think the cruise control would be an option for the automatic model (in case they are planning an automatic version) because I see little for cruise control on a manual gearbox car.

[Batla]

In anycase I think the cruise control would be an option for the automatic model (in case they are planning an automatic version) because I see little for cruise control on a manual gearbox car.

Actually it depends on the efficiency of the engine. I have a VW passat with manual gearbox & cruise control, and on highways it is really great.
That said, if the ratio power/weight of the scorpio is too low and forces the driver to constantly change gears, obviously cruise control is useless.

Originally Posted by BUSA

has poor space

This is a problem that they should have attempted to fix by going to longer wheelbase (good for stability too, all things being equal). Perhaps one has some unfair expectations, but feeling cramped inside a SUV is not good.
But looks like they do not have the will or funds for an all new design.

The new engine should be good, but is it iron block or AL-alloy? What about the head?

Hyundai really should make some SUV/MUV for this segment to show these people how a proper vehicle is supposed to be designed and manufactured.

PS: I think we'll have to wait for public release before some people to post the Mahindra salespitch on TTAC as 'article'. Just like the last time!

[w 12]

Originally Posted by DirtyDan

There may be other reasons in addition to weight saving as well for going to the smaller engine, 'ay?

One major reason is ever tightening pollution norms. The current 2.6 CRDe engine is good for Bhatrat Stage 3 . As the new engine is supposed to be used in export markets as well, It had to be Euro iv compliant or more, which the Eagle is supposed to be. It is also supposed to be atleast 10% more fuel efficient compared to the current 2.6 . The weight reduction is a bonus IMO.

[ranc]

Originally Posted by extreme_torque

In anycase I think the cruise control would be an option for the automatic model (in case they are planning an automatic version) because I see little for cruise control on a manual gearbox car.

Extreme cruise control is always on an automatic, do you want the car to do 100 + on 1st gear if you have set it on 100 and dont change gears.

[HSV]

Originally Posted by ranc

Extreme cruise control is always on an automatic, do you want the car to do 100 + on 1st gear if you have set it on 100 and dont change gears.

Hey Ranc, I agree that cruise control makes MORE SENSE on an automatic, however I disagree when you say that its ONLY for an automatic.

I've seen it on many M/T cars during my stint overseas. Not only that the Skoda RS here which is a M/T has it too.

regards

[vkochar]

Very nice find - I think these are the first pics available of the 2.2 Eagle.

I am a little dissapointed as it seems that the Exteriors remain almost unchanged. I wish they could have done some changes. But nevertheless Scorpio remains a stunner and a good looking vehicle as always.

I also hope the Bonet Scoop is now a working one !!

[extreme_torque]

Originally Posted by ranc

Extreme cruise control is always on an automatic, do you want the car to do 100 + on 1st gear if you have set it on 100 and dont change gears.

Why would someone expect his/her car to do 100 kmph in first gear and not change gear, just because he/she has cruise control? Come on man.... you could have thought something better, not just replied for the sake of it.
If you read my post again, I wanted to imply if the cruise control thing is true then mahindra might as well be thinking about an automatic too, as someone speculated on it.

[NIP]

Originally Posted by DirtyDan

You guys are really cluttering up this thread with a lot of idle speculation and Mahindra-Tata polemics. It makes for dreary reading. The facts, equipment options and prices, will be known soon enough.

My question, is this new 2.2L engine really new or has it been tried and tested internationally? I am thinking of buying a 2008 but I really do not want the 2.2L if it is REALLY new.

as far as i know, the 2.2 has already been launched internationally. and why not buy the 2.2 if its new ?! the first gen 2.6 non-crde version had a superb engine, and i have 2 friends who still own them. they still go like stink, and still feel rock solid after doing 1.5 lac+ kms.

i drive a second gen 2.6 non-crde and i can vouch for the engine. i have had absolutely no problems with the vehicle till date, just routine maintenance.

what i'm saying basically is, i dont think you'll be a test mule for the new engine. you will not be part of an 'evolution' like the tata vehicles at least. going by history, the scorpio has had a superb engine that no competition has been able to shake.

[dadu]

On the safari 2.2 it saved apprx 100kgs on a 4x2, slightly less for the 4x4. As mentioned earlier, it also helps in conforming to EuroIV norms and more fuel efficient.

Originally Posted by DirtyDan

Thanks for this very USEFUL bit of information, Dadu. It is hard to believe that they are going to save so much weight going from 2.6L to 2.2L that it would dramatically effect the handling as some people have claimed. There may be other reasons in addition to weight saving as well for going to the smaller engine, 'ay?

Its the same for both M&M and TATA, no major changes in the body design, perhaps they are waiting for this engine to settle down and then come out with a completely new vehicle.

Originally Posted by vkochar

I am a little dissapointed as it seems that the Exteriors remain almost unchanged. I wish they could have done some changes. But nevertheless Scorpio remains a stunner and a good looking vehicle as always.

I also hope the Bonet Scoop is now a working one !!