HOT hatch war! Palio Stile 1.6 v/s Getz Prime 1.5 CRDi

CrAzY dRiVeR · 14th November 2007, 23:40

Ever since the hot hatch segment began, there was the Palio. The Palio 1.6 GTX changed the Indian automobile industry being the first hatch to offer 100bhp. And the challenge was not accepted by any other car-makers ever since.

The closest to the challenge was the Suzuki Swift with 87 bhp. Then came the Swift DDiS bringing the game even closer to the Palio. As seen in this thread http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...wift-ddis.html team-bhp stood with the Palio 1.6 (68 over 49). And Palio 1.6 still remains the unbeaten champion.

Now we have a new competitor. This time Hyundai has accepted the challenge. Is the Getz Prime 1.5 CRDi good enough to face against the Palio 1.6?

Fiat Palio Stile 1.6

Power- 100ps@5500rpm
Torque- 137Nm@4250 rpm
1600 cc DOHC petrol
Price- Rs 4,31,952.
Both have no option of ABS
+ points- Looks, build quality, petrol
-ve points- Mileage, FIAT.

Hyundai Getz Prime 1.5 CRDi

Power- 110 bhp@4000 rpm.
Torque- 240Nm@1900 rpm.
1500cc DOHC diesel
Price- 5,69,900.
Both have no option of ABS.
+ points- Space, power, diesel
-ve points- price, turbo lag.

You always wanted a hot hatch. What would it be?

(MODS: Sorry if post is irrelevant. However, from discussions going on in other threads, seems the topic is relevant)

deepakhon · 14th November 2007, 23:50

If you could post their 0-100 timings and in-gear acceleration timings, it will be great. Again, someone who has driven both these cars extensively can comment about their ride, handling, steering feel and braking abilities as they are the prime components which would make a hot hatch.

kpzen · 14th November 2007, 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by deepakhon

If you could post their 0-100 timings and in-gear acceleration timings, it will be great. Again, someone who has driven both these cars extensively can comment about their ride, handling, steering feel and braking abilities as they are the prime components which would make a hot hatch.

Hyundai Getz Crdi
Source - ACI

CrAzY dRiVeR · 15th November 2007, 00:05

0-100 kmph
Getz CRDi- 11.0s Palio Stile 1.6- 12.3s (OD Nov 2007)

40-100 kmph in fourth gear
Getz CRDi- 14.46s Palio Stile 1.6- 24.39s (OD)

Can someone post the roll-on figures, in other gears?

Please dont vote simply because of love for Palio or Getz. I am not voting because i haven't driven Getz CRDi (nor verna), so dont have a good knowledge of the motor in the hyundai.

humyum · 15th November 2007, 00:26

Isnt 171 kmph top speed for a 110 bhp diesel hatchback too less?are these figures reliable?

1100D · 15th November 2007, 00:27

I voted for the Palio Stile? Why? the statistics are one thing, but when you get into the subtle stuff like pedal positioning and all. I dont think the Getz comes close. (However I am speaking from experience of Palio 1.6 rather than Stile particularly and Getz rather than Getz 1.5 crdi). Now why would I talk about something as pedal positioning? Thats because when we are measuring the Hotness of a hot hatch, these things matter.

For a Hot car being driven in anger mode the 4th gear 40-100 roll on figures dont figure.

tsk1979 · 15th November 2007, 00:28

171kmph is too less??

As for me its the Getz any day. The 1.5 liter pot is simply a delight, and its one of the most comfortable cars I have ever driven.

As far as performance goes, be it 0-100 or roll on figures, getz simply blows away the palio.

If performance is the criteria, then the hottest hatch in the market is a diesel!

kpzen · 15th November 2007, 00:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

40-100 kmph in fourth gear
Getz CRDi- 14.46s
.

Which figures do we rely on?? ACI or OD ?

PS: Sujay..this thread is gonna turn into a battle ground by tomorrow

humyum · 15th November 2007, 00:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

171kmph is too less??

As for me its the Getz any day. The 1.5 liter pot is simply a delight, and its one of the most comfortable cars I have ever driven.

As far as performance goes, be it 0-100 or roll on figures, getz simply blows away the palio.

If performance is the criteria, then the hottest hatch in the market is a diesel!

Yeah 171 is too less considerin the 3 pot version of the crdi motor which was doing duty in the accent crdi had a top speed of 170 kmph and this one is 171 even though the increament in power over the other one is 27 bhp.
Anway i vote for the getz crdi for the power+mileage combination.

vittalnrv · 15th November 2007, 02:16

Am jus in the process of buying a new car and lucky for this post even my choice was between Palio 1.6 and Getz CRDi both which I test drove today.My current car is a Getz 1.3 GLS.

Palio Stile 1.6 :
- Its come out with a new color , Magnesium Grey and it sure looks hot.
- Interiors are so cramped compared to Getz
- Detailing is old-age, i.e. Speedometer,buttons,backlights,etc.
- Engine very noisy and rough.
- Seating position is bad. I am 6.1
- Somebody here mentioned here about pedals,, I find it difficult to rest my leg on the
dead pedal and for once I mistook the throttle for brakes!! Scary.Tight.Small.
- Gearbox was an absolute delight to fiddle.
- Superb driveability in any gear.
- Brakes were too sharp
- Best performance among the 1.6ers ( Had also test driven SX4,Fiesta before )
- Cant comment on fuel efficiency.

Getz Prime 1.5 CRDi:
- Engine came to life with a big clatter
- Idling noise is audible in cabin even with A/C
- Best in class interiors and ergonomics
- Cabin felt very roomy compared to my Getz GLS,,
- Performance is outright,, 2nd gear 80 , 3rd 110 , 4th 140 , end of road phew!!
- Fells more quicker than Corolla.Then why compete with Palio?
- Gearbox is very different from my GLS. Its more smooth and short on my GLS.
- Suspension feedback is top notch, but feel Palio was more solid in this area.
- 110BHP 240NM, add pete's 130BHP 270NM. Does it get better than this.

For 5Lakhs OTR Bangalore, Palio 1.6 Sport is a good buy but the competition is getting ahead with QUALITY products. Hyundai Getz is one such quality product and you cant go wrong with it. My 2005 September Getz GLS has clocked till date 55,000Kms and not single electrical problem I've faced and the interiors are solid,not a little speck of rattle.Am trading my GLS for CRDi hands down. Go diesel power!!

CrAzY dRiVeR · 15th November 2007, 08:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpzen

PS: Sujay..this thread is gonna turn into a battle ground by tomorrow

I didn't vote. I didn't vote. I didn't vote.

Quote:

Originally Posted by humyum

Anway i vote for the getz crdi for the power+mileage combination.

Palio 1.6 is more than a lakh cheaper. So, that almost compensates for the diesel advantage of the Getz.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vittalnrv

- Cabin felt very roomy compared to my Getz GLS,,

Is it because of the beige interiors? I felt everything else was same compared to old Getz.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vittalnrv

Am trading my GLS for CRDi hands down. Go diesel power!!

Congrats. Do post the ownership report once you get it.

hemanthisgreat · 15th November 2007, 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by vittalnrv

Am trading my GLS for CRDi hands down. Go diesel power!!

have you spoken to the dealership yet. whats the price they are quoting after the trade in.

Anju · 15th November 2007, 08:47

I think not many have driven Getz CRDi yet.
I was fortunate among who got the test drive frm display model on a Holiday after much lobby....

But that stopped now too.
So much of the comments would be from the so called professional test drives from Overdrive, ACI,BS motoring.

To the question of which is a hot hatch?

The simple answer is Getz CRDi.

Cheers
Anju

eclectix 1st · 15th November 2007, 08:55

Guys I TD both the cars in question & the result is obvious....I got the 1.6 sport.

Its sheer Driving Pleasure, c'mon the whole thing of comparison is absurd (from a drivers point of view).

1.6 Sport is in a class of its own.

Its a known fact that Palio Stile 1.6 Sport is meant for sheer driving pleasure. Its a drivers car with performance. Arguments on Nitty gritty things like better interiors / mileage doesn't hold good at all.

Certain things could be better in the crdi, but when it comes to rolling the wheels on the asphalt, it lags way behind 1.6 sport.

Someone looking for the concept of "Man & the Machine" would appreciate Palio stile 1.6 Sport.

Hyundai.Lover · 15th November 2007, 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by kpzen

Hyundai Getz Crdi
Source - ACI

Top speed 171 kmph? Not at all possible. We were discussing about this thing about ACI in getz crdi thread.

View Poll Results: Hot hatch war- Palio Stile 1.6 v/s Hyundai Getz 1.5 CRDi
FIAT Palio Stile 1.6	131	52.61%
Hyundai Getz Prime 1.5 CRDi	118	47.39%
Voters: 249. You may not vote on this poll

14th November 2007, 23:40	#1
CrAzY dRiVeR Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore / TVM Posts: 17,174 Thanked: 73,461 Times View My Garage	HOT hatch war! Palio Stile 1.6 v/s Getz Prime 1.5 CRDi Ever since the hot hatch segment began, there was the Palio. The Palio 1.6 GTX changed the Indian automobile industry being the first hatch to offer 100bhp. And the challenge was not accepted by any other car-makers ever since. The closest to the challenge was the Suzuki Swift with 87 bhp. Then came the Swift DDiS bringing the game even closer to the Palio. As seen in this thread http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...wift-ddis.html team-bhp stood with the Palio 1.6 (68 over 49). And Palio 1.6 still remains the unbeaten champion. Now we have a new competitor. This time Hyundai has accepted the challenge. Is the Getz Prime 1.5 CRDi good enough to face against the Palio 1.6? Fiat Palio Stile 1.6 Power- 100ps@5500rpm Torque- 137Nm@4250 rpm 1600 cc DOHC petrol Price- Rs 4,31,952. Both have no option of ABS + points- Looks, build quality, petrol -ve points- Mileage, FIAT. Hyundai Getz Prime 1.5 CRDi Power- 110 bhp@4000 rpm. Torque- 240Nm@1900 rpm. 1500cc DOHC diesel Price- 5,69,900. Both have no option of ABS. + points- Space, power, diesel -ve points- price, turbo lag. You always wanted a hot hatch. What would it be? (MODS: Sorry if post is irrelevant. However, from discussions going on in other threads, seems the topic is relevant) Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 14th November 2007 at 23:47.
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14th November 2007, 23:50	#2
deepakhon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,441 Thanked: 65 Times	If you could post their 0-100 timings and in-gear acceleration timings, it will be great. Again, someone who has driven both these cars extensively can comment about their ride, handling, steering feel and braking abilities as they are the prime components which would make a hot hatch.
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15th November 2007, 00:05	#4
CrAzY dRiVeR Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore / TVM Posts: 17,174 Thanked: 73,461 Times View My Garage	0-100 kmph Getz CRDi- 11.0s Palio Stile 1.6- 12.3s (OD Nov 2007) 40-100 kmph in fourth gear Getz CRDi- 14.46s Palio Stile 1.6- 24.39s (OD) Can someone post the roll-on figures, in other gears? Please dont vote simply because of love for Palio or Getz. I am not voting because i haven't driven Getz CRDi (nor verna), so dont have a good knowledge of the motor in the hyundai. Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 15th November 2007 at 00:17.
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15th November 2007, 00:26	#5
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,750 Thanked: 5,422 Times	Isnt 171 kmph top speed for a 110 bhp diesel hatchback too less?are these figures reliable?
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15th November 2007, 00:27	#6
1100D Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Calcutta Posts: 4,390 Thanked: 4,079 Times View My Garage	I voted for the Palio Stile? Why? the statistics are one thing, but when you get into the subtle stuff like pedal positioning and all. I dont think the Getz comes close. (However I am speaking from experience of Palio 1.6 rather than Stile particularly and Getz rather than Getz 1.5 crdi). Now why would I talk about something as pedal positioning? Thats because when we are measuring the Hotness of a hot hatch, these things matter. For a Hot car being driven in anger mode the 4th gear 40-100 roll on figures dont figure.
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15th November 2007, 00:28	#7
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,811 Times View My Garage	171kmph is too less?? As for me its the Getz any day. The 1.5 liter pot is simply a delight, and its one of the most comfortable cars I have ever driven. As far as performance goes, be it 0-100 or roll on figures, getz simply blows away the palio. If performance is the criteria, then the hottest hatch in the market is a diesel!
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15th November 2007, 02:16	#10
vittalnrv BANNED Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 192 Thanked: 34 Times	Am jus in the process of buying a new car and lucky for this post even my choice was between Palio 1.6 and Getz CRDi both which I test drove today.My current car is a Getz 1.3 GLS. Palio Stile 1.6 : - Its come out with a new color , Magnesium Grey and it sure looks hot. - Interiors are so cramped compared to Getz - Detailing is old-age, i.e. Speedometer,buttons,backlights,etc. - Engine very noisy and rough. - Seating position is bad. I am 6.1 - Somebody here mentioned here about pedals,, I find it difficult to rest my leg on the dead pedal and for once I mistook the throttle for brakes!! Scary.Tight.Small. - Gearbox was an absolute delight to fiddle. - Superb driveability in any gear. - Brakes were too sharp - Best performance among the 1.6ers ( Had also test driven SX4,Fiesta before ) - Cant comment on fuel efficiency. Getz Prime 1.5 CRDi: - Engine came to life with a big clatter - Idling noise is audible in cabin even with A/C - Best in class interiors and ergonomics - Cabin felt very roomy compared to my Getz GLS,, - Performance is outright,, 2nd gear 80 , 3rd 110 , 4th 140 , end of road phew!! - Fells more quicker than Corolla.Then why compete with Palio? - Gearbox is very different from my GLS. Its more smooth and short on my GLS. - Suspension feedback is top notch, but feel Palio was more solid in this area. - 110BHP 240NM, add pete's 130BHP 270NM. Does it get better than this. For 5Lakhs OTR Bangalore, Palio 1.6 Sport is a good buy but the competition is getting ahead with QUALITY products. Hyundai Getz is one such quality product and you cant go wrong with it. My 2005 September Getz GLS has clocked till date 55,000Kms and not single electrical problem I've faced and the interiors are solid,not a little speck of rattle.Am trading my GLS for CRDi hands down. Go diesel power!!
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15th November 2007, 08:47	#13
Anju BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bengalooru Posts: 175 Thanked: 0 Times	I think not many have driven Getz CRDi yet. I was fortunate among who got the test drive frm display model on a Holiday after much lobby.... But that stopped now too. So much of the comments would be from the so called professional test drives from Overdrive, ACI,BS motoring. To the question of which is a hot hatch? The simple answer is Getz CRDi. Cheers Anju
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15th November 2007, 08:55	#14
eclectix 1st BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: BANGALORE Posts: 381 Thanked: 5 Times View My Garage	Guys I TD both the cars in question & the result is obvious....I got the 1.6 sport. Its sheer Driving Pleasure, c'mon the whole thing of comparison is absurd (from a drivers point of view). *1.6 Sport is in a class of its own.* Its a known fact that Palio Stile 1.6 Sport is meant for sheer driving pleasure. Its a drivers car with performance. Arguments on Nitty gritty things like better interiors / mileage doesn't hold good at all. Certain things could be better in the crdi, but when it comes to rolling the wheels on the asphalt, it lags way behind 1.6 sport. Someone looking for the concept of "*Man & the Machine"* would appreciate Palio stile 1.6 Sport.
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