Ethanol time-bomb ticking for cars

wanderlustindia · 3rd December 2007, 18:51

Makes for interesting read, this one

http://wheels.indiatimes.com/Fast_Fo...ow/2466293.cms

Not sure if this is the right forum/sub-forum for this article ... not sure if this article already exists. If it does, mods can go ahead and remove the thread instantly.

-Subhash aka 'wanderlustindia'

'Real freedom lies in wildness, not in civilization'
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Samurai · 3rd December 2007, 19:12

This sounds like a horror story, can this be true?

Where can we get a list of what car are E10 compatible?

HotChillyPepper · 3rd December 2007, 19:13

No words ....

condor · 3rd December 2007, 19:15

The Indiatimes article itself is a little old - Oct 2007.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...tml#post312051
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-your-car.html
(the Business Standard link in the first post doesnt work)
also:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ture-fuel.html

lohithrao · 3rd December 2007, 19:53

Mann are we in dor a BIG trouble? esp the once with old cars:(

danlalan · 3rd December 2007, 20:12

Great all i can say is looks like our DRAG times are going to go up by a second or so..

naughtyfaction · 3rd December 2007, 20:17

As the article says, are we already using E5 petrol in our cars ? I did not find its mention anywhere on any petrol pump. Is it added by default ?

theMAG · 3rd December 2007, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai

This sounds like a horror story, can this be true?

Where can we get a list of what car are E10 compatible?

Quote:

Originally Posted by lohithrao

Mann are we in dor a BIG trouble? esp the once with old cars:(

From here. Birds-eye view:

Quote:

The cars currently being manufactured by Honda Siel Cars Ltd (the Accord and Civic range) and General Motors India (Chevrolet, Optra, Corsa) are already E10-compatible.
This is not so for Maruti Udyog and Hyundai Motors India, whose existing models cannot run on E10 petrol.

The article is Jul 07, but pertinent nevertheless. Both articles mention the E10 upgradation cost to an owner to be Rs 2000-Rs 6000 and involving upgradation of fuel tanks, ECU remap, rubber parts, potential repainting of prone areas/full car with special paint to prevent an E10 side-effect of peeling and some aluminium components of the engine.

BaCkSeAtDrIVeR · 3rd December 2007, 21:49

Looks like this is not an issue with carburetted vehicles? Somebody I know claims to know a professional who drives an M800, purely on ethanol aka surgical spirit. He claims better FE and improved power. Being a professional, he has access to that stuff.

Murugan · 3rd December 2007, 21:55

One more reason to go in for Diesel cars?!

adityamunshi · 3rd December 2007, 22:02

I saw a Honda ad in TOI. All Honda cars in India are E10 compatible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samurai

This sounds like a horror story, can this be true?

Where can we get a list of what car are E10 compatible?

theMAG · 3rd December 2007, 22:06

As an afterthought, I wonder how this new mandate will impact Maruti's ETD of the M13 engine? Should get speeded up, I guess.

humyum · 3rd December 2007, 22:20

Honda cars are E10 compatable.Atleast read that in the Civic ad

rr_zen · 3rd December 2007, 22:30

How come this topic never surfaced till now though the news is a bit old ? Am sure there is no reason for us to panic as most of the cars on road today may not be E10 compatible IMO and such a drastic measure may hit the country real hard. Do our politicians have the guts to embark on something as risky as this unless they want to jeopardise their own positions ?

Samurai · 3rd December 2007, 23:06

I read this at an Aussie site (http://www.onlinemechanical.net/ethanol-E10.html):

Suzuki Alto, Mighty Boy, Wagon R+, Swift/Cino, Ignis Sport (1.5litre requires 98RON), Sierra, Stockman, Vitara, X-90, Jimmy (SOHC) and Super Carry vehicles do not operate satisfactorily on E10. Suzuki Baleno and Baleno GTX will operate satisfactorily on E10 but Suzuki does not recommend its use in these vehicles. Ignis (1.3Litre), Liana, Grand Vitara/XL-7, Jimmy (DOHC), Carry (1.3 Litre), Swift (2005 on) and APV vehicles will operate satisfactorily on E10.

That means Swift and GV owners in India can breath easily, I think.

3rd December 2007, 18:51	#1
wanderlustindia BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 608 Thanked: 63 Times View My Garage	Ethanol time-bomb ticking for cars Makes for interesting read, this one http://wheels.indiatimes.com/Fast_Fo...ow/2466293.cms Not sure if this is the right forum/sub-forum for this article ... not sure if this article already exists. If it does, mods can go ahead and remove the thread instantly. -Subhash aka 'wanderlustindia' 'Real freedom lies in wildness, not in civilization' cheers:
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3rd December 2007, 19:12	#2
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,813 Thanked: 45,445 Times View My Garage	This sounds like a horror story, can this be true? Where can we get a list of what car are E10 compatible? Last edited by Samurai : 3rd December 2007 at 19:14.
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3rd December 2007, 19:13	#3
HotChillyPepper BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bang_a_lore Posts: 628 Thanked: 289 Times View My Garage	No words ....
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3rd December 2007, 19:15	#4
condor Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Speed-brkr City Posts: 15,864 Thanked: 16,008 Times View My Garage	The Indiatimes article itself is a little old - Oct 2007. http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...tml#post312051 http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-your-car.html (the Business Standard link in the first post doesnt work) also: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ture-fuel.html Last edited by condor : 3rd December 2007 at 19:17.
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3rd December 2007, 19:53	#5
lohithrao Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kudla/Mangaluru Posts: 3,204 Thanked: 225 Times View My Garage	Mann are we in dor a BIG trouble? esp the once with old cars:(
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3rd December 2007, 20:12	#6
danlalan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: mumbai,JUHU Posts: 1,636 Thanked: 263 Times View My Garage	Great all i can say is looks like our DRAG times are going to go up by a second or so..
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3rd December 2007, 20:17	#7
naughtyfaction BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 116 Thanked: 14 Times	As the article says, are we already using E5 petrol in our cars ? I did not find its mention anywhere on any petrol pump. Is it added by default ?
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3rd December 2007, 21:49	#9
BaCkSeAtDrIVeR BANNED Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Kochi Posts: 2,522 Thanked: 752 Times	Looks like this is not an issue with carburetted vehicles? Somebody I know claims to know a professional who drives an M800, purely on ethanol aka surgical spirit. He claims better FE and improved power. Being a professional, he has access to that stuff.
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3rd December 2007, 21:55	#10
Murugan BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 382 Thanked: 261 Times	One more reason to go in for Diesel cars?!
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3rd December 2007, 22:06	#12
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	As an afterthought, I wonder how this new mandate will impact Maruti's ETD of the M13 engine? Should get speeded up, I guess.
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3rd December 2007, 22:20	#13
humyum Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,750 Thanked: 5,422 Times	Honda cars are E10 compatable.Atleast read that in the Civic ad
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3rd December 2007, 22:30	#14
rr_zen Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chennai, India Posts: 1,799 Thanked: 400 Times View My Garage	How come this topic never surfaced till now though the news is a bit old ? Am sure there is no reason for us to panic as most of the cars on road today may not be E10 compatible IMO and such a drastic measure may hit the country real hard. Do our politicians have the guts to embark on something as risky as this unless they want to jeopardise their own positions ? Last edited by rr_zen : 3rd December 2007 at 22:31.
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3rd December 2007, 23:06	#15
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,813 Thanked: 45,445 Times View My Garage	I read this at an Aussie site (http://www.onlinemechanical.net/ethanol-E10.html): Suzuki Alto, Mighty Boy, Wagon R+, Swift/Cino, Ignis Sport (1.5litre requires 98RON), Sierra, Stockman, Vitara, X-90, Jimmy (SOHC) and Super Carry vehicles do not operate satisfactorily on E10. Suzuki Baleno and Baleno GTX will operate satisfactorily on E10 but Suzuki does not recommend its use in these vehicles. Ignis (1.3Litre), Liana, Grand Vitara/XL-7, Jimmy (DOHC), Carry (1.3 Litre), Swift (2005 on) and APV vehicles will operate satisfactorily on E10. That means Swift and GV owners in India can breath easily, I think.
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