[Ram]

Originally Posted by drpullockaran

They were not hatches in the true sense of the word but will you not consider the Skoda a sedan though in actuality it is a hatchback.

The Škoda Octavia is very much a hatch. Not a sedan, @drpullockaran.

Stretching the hatch posterior gives additional room, but still does not make the Octavia a true three-box sedan. The Octavia like the Audi A3 & S3 and SEAT León is based on the Volkswagen Golf two-box hatch.

Pricing it high enough to mislead a third world snob class, does not put it into the same league in comfort, security and legroom, as true independent-suspension, three-box sedans like the Ford Mondeo, Opel Vectra and Toyota Corolla.

And the stratospherically high priced spares and service doesn't exactly make for happy contented customers.

[DocG]

Originally Posted by hbkamit

hey one of my cousin is in maruti and he told me the price for the petrol would be around 5 50 on road delhi

and the diesel would be around 650

at 5.5L for the petrol, this car will have many, many takers, and well like someone said earlier a long waiting list!!! Good value at the least, and most buyers in India look at VFM and not things like looks or performance

[RufRoc]

Originally Posted by mjothi

was enquiring with Bimal about the Esteem LXi. The sales person said that this model would be discontinued in a month or 2 and the SWIFT SPALSH is scheduled to be released on Feb 2008 in similar price tag of Esteem.

But I thought the Splash was Wagon R's replacement, I don't think it can be priced above the Swift. Again, when you refer to the Esteem's price tag, are you talking abt the discounted price or the actual price?

[mjothi]

Originally Posted by RufRoc

But I thought the Splash was Wagon R's replacement, I don't think it can be priced above the Swift. Again, when you refer to the Esteem's price tag, are you talking abt the discounted price or the actual price?

All he said is, esteem will be stopped and Splash will be released in that price. I assume its before discount. I doubt if they will replace the WaganR, since it sells in real good number...

I may visit the showroom this week. Will get more details on this if possible.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by mjothi

All he said is, esteem will be stopped and Splash will be released in that price. I assume its before discount. I doubt if they will replace the WaganR, since it sells in real good number...

Splash?

Isn't it the Swift sedan thats going to come in? Splash was for later!

And last i heard, Swift sedan was to be called Swift D'Zire. May be, the sales guy got confused with the names!

[tsk1979]

Originally Posted by ram

The Škoda Octavia is very much a hatch. Not a sedan, @drpullockaran.

the correct term for this is "Notchback"

[mjothi]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Splash?

Isn't it the Swift sedan thats going to come in? Splash was for later!

And last i heard, Swift sedan was to be called Swift D'Zire. May be, the sales guy got confused with the names!

not sure of swift sedan. But Splash is around Feb 2008.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Guys,

Is this sedan going to have the same old esteem engine as in the Swift, or the new M series engine as Maruti had declared?

Am talking only of the petrols!
(Posting again as no one noticed)

[iTNerd]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Guys,

Is this sedan going to have the same old esteem engine as in the Swift, or the new M series engine as Maruti had declared?

Am talking only of the petrols!
(Posting again as no one noticed)

yes, its 100% confirmed. M series 1.3 litre!

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by iTNerd

yes, its 100% confirmed. M series 1.3 litre!

Finally! What about the Swift hatch then? Change of engine, or will it continue to have the same engine?

[Ricky_63]

Originally Posted by tsk1979

the correct term for this is "Notchback"

Was going to say the same thing The Octavia & the Accent VIVA are "Notchbacks" - have heard a lot of people call them "hatchbacks"

Cheers

[Ram]

Originally Posted by Ricky_63

Was going to say the same thing The Octavia & the Accent VIVA are "Notchbacks" - have heard a lot of people call them "hatchbacks"

Cheers

No sir, the Octavia & the Accent VIVA are "Hatchbacks"!

A hatchback has a big door (albeit one with a notch in it), which includes the backlight glass (the rear windshield).

It is typically hinged at the top edge of the backlight. Although like a Lancia Scorpion it can be hinged on the side instead.

Having a notch or bend in the hatch does not make it a notchback. A true notchback has a three-box construction, fixed unmoveable backlight (the rear windshield). And a proper trunk lid, typically hinged near the bottom edge of the backlight.

The Skoda Octavia and Hyundai Accent Viva have two-box construction!

Originally Posted by ram

...drove to Seattle and signed the papers buying this Rangoon Red 1979 Mustang hatchback with red leather interior.

My darling Mustang "Washington HTW 430" had Ford's 2,300 cc “Lima” four overhead camshaft turbo-supercharged engine. The engine put out 143 bhp and did 0-60 mph in 9.1 sec.






...

And for comparision...
Here is a 1979 Ford Mustang "notchback" version!



You can read more about hatchback and notchback here.
Howstuffworks "The 1979 Ford Mustang: Materials and Features"

If you find the term hatchback repugnant for the overpriced Octavia, the stricter official term is Aeroback

Would be happy to answer any questions.

Ram

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by ram

A true notchback has a three-box construction, fixed unmoveable backlight (the rear windshield). And a proper trunk lid, typically hinged near the bottom edge of the backlight.

That description sounds true for sedan too. Could you explain the difference between sedan and notchback too?

Sorry for the trouble.

[Ram]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

That description sounds true for sedan too. Could you explain the difference between sedan and notchback too?

You are absolutely right, CrAzY dRiVeR.

Strictly, a sedan is a car with a front row of seats and a rear row of seats, such that the rear row has enough space for at least two adult human beings. The engine can be in front or in the rear.
The Americans call this configuration a sedan, and the British, a saloon.

That being said, sedans can be 4-door or 2-door.
A notchback sedan is a three-box sedan.

Let me draw some pictures to explain. Allow me to use my favorite: Baleno.

with a B-pillar or without a B-pillar (hardtop),

and they can be notchback, fastback (aka aeroback) or hatchback.
A hatchback (a.k.a. liftback) sedan does not have a trunk lid. Instead the entire back of the car lifts up (using a liftgate or hatch). Example Hyundai Accent Viva and Skoda Octavia.

A fastback sedan is a two-box sedan with continuous slope from the roof to the base of the decklid, but no hatch.

Am open for questions.
Ram

[1100D]

Originally Posted by ram

A fastback sedan is a two-box sedan with continuous slope from the roof to the base of the decklid, but no hatch.

Am open for questions.
Ram

Fast back definition is right (continuous slope from the roof to the base of the decklid), but may or maynot also include a hatchdoor. The Rover SD1 for example.