Sumo Grande - will it Kill Scorpio ?

gowda79 · 13th January 2008, 21:28

Team BHPians let everyone know who is the best in MUV and by seeing the Tata's coming up with NEW Sumo Grande, Xenon and the X2 in future the TATA are the best and Mahindra is going to sink in all ways.

According to me Sumo Grande will make Mahindra Scorpio(

) Sink single handedly

What do u all say???

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.anshuman · 13th January 2008, 22:55

Sumo grande is set to compete Chevrolet tavera and mahindra bolero not mahindra scorpio,even safari cant beat scorpio in sales figures.

VJ_MAVRICK · 13th January 2008, 23:01

Yea ! I too agree with anshuman about Scorpio and its sales compared to Safari. i think Tata vehicles in particular Safari's services and parts are expensive compared with Mahindra's and thats what my cousin who owns a Safari cribs about.Well ! we have to wait and watch about Sumo Grande.

ashutoshb · 13th January 2008, 23:10

we will have to wait and watch. more than Scorpio I think Grande will eat into the Safari's pie.

DirtyDan · 13th January 2008, 23:16

If I was still ruler of the known universe (I took early retirement, bad benefit package), I would not have changed the old Sumo's sheet metal. I would have upgraded the mechanicals via options. The old Sumo was a good seller for Tata even last year. I would have added a 4x4 option and I would have tweaked the suspension and provided for an optional up-scale interior. The old Sumo, the 3.0L Spacio and newer Victa DI turbo, were great, cheap people movers with tough components, great driving position and wonderful simplicity. The new Grande? Dunno. Certainly is more expensive. We shall see.

BUSA · 13th January 2008, 23:20

No way will the Sumo kill the Scorpio, the Scorpio is doing pretty well, and only Tata's Safari can unshake it. However even after the 2.2 its not been able to. Once the X2 is out then Tata might take the lead.

I dont know but the Sumo doesnot look that well propotioned, the rear looks too heavy. The interiors are not near the Scorpio's by any standards.

Mpower · 13th January 2008, 23:23

They should have launched 2 variants of Sumo, one for taxiwallahs and another stylish one for private buyers.

Right now the Grande 2.2 is compatible to the Hawk 2.2, much much cheaper.

CrAzY dRiVeR · 13th January 2008, 23:39

We consider Scorpio as SUV and Sumo as MUV, and that both cannot affect the other.

However, i have seen people buy Scorpio because they wanted a tough vehicle which could seat more than 5 occasionally (Safari has jump seats at rear, and Innova is priced higher). Scorpio's are also used by Taxiwallahs in good number. I havent come across too many people who buy Scorpio for its off-road abilities.

Wont the new Sumo influence these people? From pics, it seems it can carry people in good comfort, even in third row.

abbey4u · 14th January 2008, 00:01

I don't think Sumo Grande is going to affect either scorpio or safari.

Its more of an MUV. It will eat into the share of tavera. and Innova. However the private ownership of innova would still be unaffected or marginaly affected. So its going to be choice of call center cabs and taxis . (something it was before the innova came in)

bigman · 14th January 2008, 01:22

This will go head to head with the Mahindra Ingenio.

tanmay_ambre · 14th January 2008, 03:26

Sumo replacing scorpio?? No way man. No way.

But that Xenon XT can definitely take on Scorpio GetAway. But do we have any numbers on how many Getaways Mahindra is selling?

AMATMO · 14th January 2008, 09:51

looking at the style of sumo grande i dont think it can ever beat the scorpio's brute looks

the new sumo has a pretty soft roader kind of look which may not appeal to somebody who likes strong looking SUVs

so like mentioned above it might cut into tavera's market

ofcource it might have some effect in the market of scorpio,but i dont think scorpio has to worry about it

Blue Thunder · 14th January 2008, 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashutoshb

we will have to wait and watch. more than Scorpio I think Grande will eat into the Safari's pie.

I agreee with you, ashutoshb, I think it will eat a bit into the Safari's sale, rather than affect Scorpio. The Scorpio has an image which will not be affected by the Sumo Grande.

.anshuman · 14th January 2008, 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanmay_ambre

Sumo replacing scorpio?? No way man. No way.

But that Xenon XT can definitely take on Scorpio GetAway. But do we have any numbers on how many Getaways Mahindra is selling?

I think Scorpio getaway has gone the telcoline way,i have seen just 2-3 vehicles on the road.

snaronikar · 14th January 2008, 12:58

Both are in different vehicles. Scorpio will mostly compete with Safari. The sumo grande will compete with tavera. If you ask me it may give competition to innova/tavera etc .

13th January 2008, 21:28	#1
gowda79 Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 1,478 Thanked: 194 Times View My Garage	Sumo Grande - will it Kill Scorpio ? Team BHPians let everyone know who is the best in MUV and by seeing the Tata's coming up with NEW Sumo Grande, Xenon and the X2 in future the TATA are the best and Mahindra is going to sink in all ways. According to me Sumo Grande will make Mahindra Scorpio( ) Sink single handedly What do u all say??? Start Posting guys.................... Shogun Samurai Maruti Omni Maruti Esteem Tata Safari (In Line on Jan 27th)Waitingggggggggggggg
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13th January 2008, 22:55	#2
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,064 Times View My Garage	Sumo grande is set to compete Chevrolet tavera and mahindra bolero not mahindra scorpio,even safari cant beat scorpio in sales figures.
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13th January 2008, 23:01	#3
VJ_MAVRICK Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,239 Thanked: 34 Times View My Garage	Yea ! I too agree with anshuman about Scorpio and its sales compared to Safari. i think Tata vehicles in particular Safari's services and parts are expensive compared with Mahindra's and thats what my cousin who owns a Safari cribs about.Well ! we have to wait and watch about Sumo Grande.
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13th January 2008, 23:10	#4
ashutoshb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NOIDA Posts: 1,755 Thanked: 4,287 Times View My Garage	we will have to wait and watch. more than Scorpio I think Grande will eat into the Safari's pie.
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13th January 2008, 23:16	#5
DirtyDan Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dharamsala, H.P Posts: 2,075 Thanked: 1,563 Times	Not my choice of how to proceed. If I was still ruler of the known universe (I took early retirement, bad benefit package), I would not have changed the old Sumo's sheet metal. I would have upgraded the mechanicals via options. The old Sumo was a good seller for Tata even last year. I would have added a 4x4 option and I would have tweaked the suspension and provided for an optional up-scale interior. The old Sumo, the 3.0L Spacio and newer Victa DI turbo, were great, cheap people movers with tough components, great driving position and wonderful simplicity. The new Grande? Dunno. Certainly is more expensive. We shall see.
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13th January 2008, 23:20	#6
BUSA Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,130 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	No way will the Sumo kill the Scorpio, the Scorpio is doing pretty well, and only Tata's Safari can unshake it. However even after the 2.2 its not been able to. Once the X2 is out then Tata might take the lead. I dont know but the Sumo doesnot look that well propotioned, the rear looks too heavy. The interiors are not near the Scorpio's by any standards.
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13th January 2008, 23:23	#7
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,729 Times View My Garage	They should have launched 2 variants of Sumo, one for taxiwallahs and another stylish one for private buyers. Right now the Grande 2.2 is compatible to the Hawk 2.2, much much cheaper.
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13th January 2008, 23:39	#8
CrAzY dRiVeR Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore / TVM Posts: 17,174 Thanked: 73,464 Times View My Garage	We consider Scorpio as SUV and Sumo as MUV, and that both cannot affect the other. However, i have seen people buy Scorpio because they wanted a tough vehicle which could seat more than 5 occasionally (Safari has jump seats at rear, and Innova is priced higher). Scorpio's are also used by Taxiwallahs in good number. I havent come across too many people who buy Scorpio for its off-road abilities. Wont the new Sumo influence these people? From pics, it seems it can carry people in good comfort, even in third row. Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 13th January 2008 at 23:40.
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14th January 2008, 00:01	#9
abbey4u BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 463 Thanked: 118 Times View My Garage	I don't think Sumo Grande is going to affect either scorpio or safari. Its more of an MUV. It will eat into the share of tavera. and Innova. However the private ownership of innova would still be unaffected or marginaly affected. So its going to be choice of call center cabs and taxis . (something it was before the innova came in)
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14th January 2008, 01:22	#10
bigman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NA Posts: 1,224 Thanked: 93 Times	This will go head to head with the Mahindra Ingenio.
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14th January 2008, 03:26	#11
tanmay_ambre BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pune. Posts: 80 Thanked: 0 Times	Sumo replacing scorpio?? No way man. No way. But that Xenon XT can definitely take on Scorpio GetAway. But do we have any numbers on how many Getaways Mahindra is selling?
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14th January 2008, 09:51	#12
AMATMO Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bangalore\GOA Posts: 1,456 Thanked: 7 Times	looking at the style of sumo grande i dont think it can ever beat the scorpio's brute looks the new sumo has a pretty soft roader kind of look which may not appeal to somebody who likes strong looking SUVs so like mentioned above it might cut into tavera's market ofcource it might have some effect in the market of scorpio,but i dont think scorpio has to worry about it Last edited by AMATMO : 14th January 2008 at 09:53.
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14th January 2008, 12:58	#15
snaronikar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 2,845 Thanked: 29 Times View My Garage	Both are in different vehicles. Scorpio will mostly compete with Safari. The sumo grande will compete with tavera. If you ask me it may give competition to innova/tavera etc .
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