HM - When will they learn

ajmat · 19th January 2005, 13:22

Read somewhere that they plan to launch the Carisma.

This car was built as a joint venture between Mitsubishi and Volvo in europe. Was regarded as a bland car in its time and has since been chopped. so who picks up the tooling ? Yep HM !

When you have cars like the City, Swift, Civic etc which are current ehy go for the Carisma. No doubt us desi's will only go for a Carisma beginning with a K !

Rudra Sen · 19th January 2005, 14:14

Ajmat as we all know HM is never going to change. I also read about this but can't figure out where. But I also think they're planning to give it a better heart to be in the market with the current bunch of cars.
By the way do you have any picture of this from your huge archive?

lamborghini · 19th January 2005, 14:19

i think there was a picture in the autocarindia november issue
whats the point with launching new models if they are outdated worldwide.
people out here want new cars not old crap ones
with newer and cooler cars coming to india this is going to be a very bad move by HM

ajmat · 19th January 2005, 14:33

http://www.automarket.bg/wallpaper/m..._Carisma_1.jpg

http://www.cars.ru/pics/m_carisma.jpg

BikerSG · 19th January 2005, 14:49

read in the paper yesterday that HM is planning to launch new lancer with 1.6l, montero sport (also called pajero sport and challenger) and a new D segment car (my guess is the galant).

islero · 19th January 2005, 15:58

all outdated cars, heading for a sticky end. Sigh.

aditya19882003 · 19th January 2005, 16:22

the galant is an awesome car if priced right and if hm offers a good choice of engens it willl be a success.

GTO · 19th January 2005, 17:33

The only good thing HM ever did was introduce the Lancer 7 years back. Since then, neither did they upgrade it nor replace it with contemporary products. Surprising since they had access to a 1.8 L engine all the time. More surprising since the Lancer had built quite a reputation for itself.

I really wont be surprised to see a Lancer "Avigo" version with my grand children 50 years down the line.

GTO

manaa45 · 19th January 2005, 17:43

i saw the pic of carisma and my only comment would be that from what i have heard, the shapes of car to come in future is going from round to square ( saw it in NDTV programm on cars forgot the name

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so with a round shape in this car i dont know how much wil be the sales figure. anyways half of the ppl here in india do not know that this car is a scrap in other countries.

shubbhi

sridhar24 · 19th January 2005, 21:17

The car looks quiet outdated now and looks similar to the lancer. I don't see any good point in launching it now in India and Iam sure it won't be a hit here.

joel · 20th January 2005, 00:31

but the fact is that hm still thinks that indians will buy whatever crap they sell.......like the present lancers ! i feel the amby is alright coz its nice to have it arnd but its high time they got serious on making sensible performance machines.

Aditya · 20th January 2005, 00:51

The Carisma was supposed to be a really characterless car in its time. It just didn't live up to its name.
To be honest, in recent years, there are just 3 models from Mitsubishi that impressed me - the Shogun (Pajero), the Challenger (don't know if they still make it) and the EVOs.
BTW, you guys must have seen the old Debonair - it looked really unsubtle compared to its rival, the Toyota Crown Royal Saloon.

Deeps · 20th January 2005, 22:56

The carisma was a great car in its time but not anymore. If anything, HM should bring in the new Pajero and/or Galant!

Stratos · 21st January 2005, 10:10

Exactly Deeps. Mitsubishi should get the Galant. Ps: There was one version of the Galant from which Mitubishi took the rear design and added it to one of the Indian Lancer which was introduced as the Special Edition...remember??

Rudra Sen · 21st January 2005, 10:33

Tell you guys what HM should do... Start working out fresh on good old AMBY.
Proper power steering (I believe the current one is not up to the mark), ABS, all wheel disk brakes, proper noise insulation, better body panel with tight shut - gaps, improved suspension (current set up is not too bad though)....

Go back to old design..say mark II. Stop these current stupid looking whatever they have. Have a choice of few great colours. Black and white are the best I feel.

Trust me, it'll sell.

P.S. In turn, I can also work these out in my car.

19th January 2005, 13:22	#1
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,862 Thanked: 27,965 Times View My Garage	HM - When will they learn Read somewhere that they plan to launch the Carisma. This car was built as a joint venture between Mitsubishi and Volvo in europe. Was regarded as a bland car in its time and has since been chopped. so who picks up the tooling ? Yep HM ! When you have cars like the City, Swift, Civic etc which are current ehy go for the Carisma. No doubt us desi's will only go for a Carisma beginning with a K !
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19th January 2005, 14:14	#2
Rudra Sen Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 11,590 Thanked: 6,532 Times View My Garage	Ajmat as we all know HM is never going to change. I also read about this but can't figure out where. But I also think they're planning to give it a better heart to be in the market with the current bunch of cars. By the way do you have any picture of this from your huge archive?
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19th January 2005, 14:19	#3
lamborghini Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 6,113 Thanked: 5,760 Times View My Garage	i think there was a picture in the autocarindia november issue whats the point with launching new models if they are outdated worldwide. people out here want new cars not old crap ones with newer and cooler cars coming to india this is going to be a very bad move by HM
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19th January 2005, 14:33	#4
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 14,862 Thanked: 27,965 Times View My Garage	http://www.automarket.bg/wallpaper/m..._Carisma_1.jpg http://www.cars.ru/pics/m_carisma.jpg
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19th January 2005, 14:49	#5
BikerSG BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chennai, INDIA Posts: 378 Thanked: 15 Times	read in the paper yesterday that HM is planning to launch new lancer with 1.6l, montero sport (also called pajero sport and challenger) and a new D segment car (my guess is the galant).
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19th January 2005, 15:58	#6
islero Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,574 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	all outdated cars, heading for a sticky end. Sigh.
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19th January 2005, 16:22	#7
aditya19882003 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: navi mumbai Posts: 22 Thanked: 0 Times	the galant is an awesome car if priced right and if hm offers a good choice of engens it willl be a success.
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19th January 2005, 17:33	#8
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,518 Thanked: 300,704 Times View My Garage	The only good thing HM ever did was introduce the Lancer 7 years back. Since then, neither did they upgrade it nor replace it with contemporary products. Surprising since they had access to a 1.8 L engine all the time. More surprising since the Lancer had built quite a reputation for itself. I really wont be surprised to see a Lancer "Avigo" version with my grand children 50 years down the line. GTO
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19th January 2005, 17:43	#9
manaa45 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: nerul, navi mum Posts: 357 Thanked: 49 Times	i saw the pic of carisma and my only comment would be that from what i have heard, the shapes of car to come in future is going from round to square ( saw it in NDTV programm on cars forgot the name ) so with a round shape in this car i dont know how much wil be the sales figure. anyways half of the ppl here in india do not know that this car is a scrap in other countries. shubbhi
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19th January 2005, 21:17	#10
sridhar24 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 1,046 Thanked: 88 Times	The car looks quiet outdated now and looks similar to the lancer. I don't see any good point in launching it now in India and Iam sure it won't be a hit here.
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20th January 2005, 00:31	#11
joel Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: bangalore Posts: 14 Thanked: 0 Times	but the fact is that hm still thinks that indians will buy whatever crap they sell.......like the present lancers ! i feel the amby is alright coz its nice to have it arnd but its high time they got serious on making sensible performance machines.
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20th January 2005, 00:51	#12
Aditya Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 17,835 Thanked: 77,054 Times View My Garage	The Carisma was supposed to be a really characterless car in its time. It just didn't live up to its name. To be honest, in recent years, there are just 3 models from Mitsubishi that impressed me - the Shogun (Pajero), the Challenger (don't know if they still make it) and the EVOs. BTW, you guys must have seen the old Debonair - it looked really unsubtle compared to its rival, the Toyota Crown Royal Saloon.
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20th January 2005, 22:56	#13
Deeps Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Delhi/Noida Posts: 1,116 Thanked: 170 Times	The carisma was a great car in its time but not anymore. If anything, HM should bring in the new Pajero and/or Galant!
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21st January 2005, 10:10	#14
Stratos Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,609 Thanked: 1,449 Times View My Garage	Exactly Deeps. Mitsubishi should get the Galant. Ps: There was one version of the Galant from which Mitubishi took the rear design and added it to one of the Indian Lancer which was introduced as the Special Edition...remember??
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21st January 2005, 10:33	#15
Rudra Sen Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 11,590 Thanked: 6,532 Times View My Garage	Tell you guys what HM should do... Start working out fresh on good old AMBY. Proper power steering (I believe the current one is not up to the mark), ABS, all wheel disk brakes, proper noise insulation, better body panel with tight shut - gaps, improved suspension (current set up is not too bad though).... Go back to old design..say mark II. Stop these current stupid looking whatever they have. Have a choice of few great colours. Black and white are the best I feel. Trust me, it'll sell. P.S. In turn, I can also work these out in my car.
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