Fiat India : How much longer before they shut down?

RX135 · 13th October 2005, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

To give credit to the man on the street, people in the market place HAVE considered the big pictures.

Are you kidding? I don't think common man knows about Fiat heir getting drug overdose or Fiat snapping ties with GM or making with Tatas. Why Palios bombed in market is totally different than these reasons (Read Fuel guzzler, high price and A/S/S). Same case was with Daewoo, but Matiz was selling like a hot cake till Daewoo actually collapsed.

deepakhon · 13th October 2005, 13:25

BTW, my question did not appear in the auto show last tuesday. I guess I will have to wait till next week or forget it

sandeepmdas · 13th October 2005, 13:43

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Originally Posted by hasopi

...their target is by Nov end.

hasopi, (I am not flaming you but) do you believe that an auto plant can be relocated in 2 months time?
It will take months to revive even a moth-balled plant back.

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Originally Posted by GTO

When FIAT does shut down in India, remember where you read about it first.

GTO, if they will turn around and flourish (Xtreamly unlikely, of course) it will be in the same place where you will be reading about it first....

Steeroid · 13th October 2005, 14:50

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Originally Posted by RX135

Are you kidding? I don't think common man knows about Fiat heir getting drug overdose or Fiat snapping ties with GM or making with Tatas.

You got me wrong - dyou think the man who's considering an investment of a few lakhs gives a damn whether the owner of the company snorts coke or flirts with Paris Hilton? The fact is that the vehicle and its manufacturer were found wanting when the common man measured them up against comparable alternatives. THAT is the big picture that they werent a part of.

RX135 · 13th October 2005, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

You got me wrong.....THAT is the big picture that they werent a part of.

Ok. I misunderstood that. Sorry!

merve_extreme · 13th October 2005, 15:27

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

Few people will by a 70bhp diesel Palio at 6.2Lakhs(Price quoted by ACI).

then who will buy a 6 Lakhs Swift?

the 1.3JTD is like a smaller VW(Skoda) 1.9TDi or even better.

hasopi · 13th October 2005, 15:57

[quote=sandeepmdas]hasopi, (I am not flaming you but) do you believe that an auto plant can be relocated in 2 months time?
It will take months to revive even a moth-balled plant back.
QUOTE]

Yes..it may take more time..but who knows since Vaasthu (I dont believe in that) of KURLA plant not well (proven by low sales & floods), its better to take a chance with PUNE.

PUNE may be a lucky place..I am always optimistic..

It will also wipe off Premier Automobiles Ghosts..& bring a new FIAT avataar

RX135 · 13th October 2005, 16:39

Call it a cynical remark, but this plant shifting does not affect Fiat in any sense since the cars were hardly selling (if the news about shifting is true in first place). Fiat has nothing to lose.

tsk1979 · 13th October 2005, 17:15

6Lakh swift!? I dont think maruti is going to charge 1.5L premium for a diesel engine.
It will me more like 40-50K more at the most.

deepakhon · 13th October 2005, 17:23

I dont think 6 lakh is a number that either of the manufacturers can ask for their dsl versions. First of all, Maruti will get the dsl engine licensed from fiat and which it will localise. If it is localised to a great extent, I wonder why it will be so costly. Let's assume that Fiat still stays in India by the time this engine makes its debut here. It can aswell get it from Maruti. Why should Fiat charge so much? I guess these are some tentative figures aci has posted; that's all. A premium of around 40-50k is what they might end up charging the customer i guess.

racing4cure · 13th October 2005, 19:28

hey fiat might have got their india plans wrong but oversees they r really doing well. like in brazil and europe where it is a pleasure to own and drive a fiat.
also we shoudnt forget fiat is the home to many of the extraordinary feats like the crdi. they did have the credit for the engine...
now since tata is taking over them i see a new lease of life....lets see...they should stilll stick to the diesel i think....cheers...

jkdas · 13th October 2005, 19:56

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Originally Posted by trinadha

watch out for maruti and tata i dont think they would let fiat india out of their hands.
palio could be a good replacement for a indica also if punto is launched then it could survive by itself

do u knw that indica was based on a design that was first designed for fiat and fiat discarded it?

RX135 · 13th October 2005, 20:15

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Originally Posted by jkdas

do u knw that indica was based on a design that was first designed for fiat and fiat discarded it?

Hmm...discarded by Fiat? I really doubt that. But yes, Palio and Indica are designed by same design studio.

amit · 13th October 2005, 20:23

I did read somewhere that the Matiz design was first offered to Fiat and they rejected it terming it as too radical!

trinadha · 13th October 2005, 20:37

but whatever happens to fiat ,a great car which could have taken on any midsized car or a hatchback shouldnot be let off we dont often get good cars like palio and swift in india.
all i wish is palio palio palio it should be in the market forever
then theres this punto and company which none of us have even seen.
but finally i have got this doubt y is palio so costly

View Poll Results: When is Fiat India going to shut down?
2005 : They cant survive any longer.	22	9.05%
2006	25	10.29%
2007 or in the whereabouts.	21	8.64%
I dont agree. Fiat India is here to stay - They will pull off a miracle.	175	72.02%
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13th October 2005, 13:25	#242
deepakhon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,441 Thanked: 65 Times	BTW, my question did not appear in the auto show last tuesday. I guess I will have to wait till next week or forget it
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13th October 2005, 15:57	#247
hasopi BANNED Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 177 Thanked: 0 Times	[quote=sandeepmdas]hasopi, (I am not flaming you but) do you believe that an auto plant can be relocated in 2 months time? It will take months to revive even a moth-balled plant back. QUOTE] Yes..it may take more time..but who knows since Vaasthu (I dont believe in that) of KURLA plant not well (proven by low sales & floods), its better to take a chance with PUNE. PUNE may be a lucky place..I am always optimistic.. It will also wipe off Premier Automobiles Ghosts..& bring a new FIAT avataar Last edited by hasopi : 13th October 2005 at 15:58.
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13th October 2005, 16:39	#248
RX135 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: pune Posts: 2,106 Thanked: 75 Times	Call it a cynical remark, but this plant shifting does not affect Fiat in any sense since the cars were hardly selling (if the news about shifting is true in first place). Fiat has nothing to lose.
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13th October 2005, 17:15	#249
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,717 Thanked: 22,823 Times View My Garage	6Lakh swift!? I dont think maruti is going to charge 1.5L premium for a diesel engine. It will me more like 40-50K more at the most.
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13th October 2005, 17:23	#250
deepakhon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,441 Thanked: 65 Times	I dont think 6 lakh is a number that either of the manufacturers can ask for their dsl versions. First of all, Maruti will get the dsl engine licensed from fiat and which it will localise. If it is localised to a great extent, I wonder why it will be so costly. Let's assume that Fiat still stays in India by the time this engine makes its debut here. It can aswell get it from Maruti. Why should Fiat charge so much? I guess these are some tentative figures aci has posted; that's all. A premium of around 40-50k is what they might end up charging the customer i guess.
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13th October 2005, 19:28	#251
racing4cure BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: DXB-COK-Manipal Posts: 186 Thanked: 9 Times	they will survive...! hey fiat might have got their india plans wrong but oversees they r really doing well. like in brazil and europe where it is a pleasure to own and drive a fiat. also we shoudnt forget fiat is the home to many of the extraordinary feats like the crdi. they did have the credit for the engine... now since tata is taking over them i see a new lease of life....lets see...they should stilll stick to the diesel i think....cheers...
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13th October 2005, 20:23	#254
amit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 3,717 Thanked: 449 Times	I did read somewhere that the Matiz design was first offered to Fiat and they rejected it terming it as too radical!
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13th October 2005, 20:37	#255
trinadha BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: HYDERABAD Posts: 244 Thanked: 22 Times	but whatever happens to fiat ,a great car which could have taken on any midsized car or a hatchback shouldnot be let off we dont often get good cars like palio and swift in india. all i wish is palio palio palio it should be in the market forever then theres this punto and company which none of us have even seen. but finally i have got this doubt y is palio so costly
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