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Originally Posted by throttleking voted based on feedback from a friends, have driven sx4 couple of times and noticed it too.
Its my belief, if it is Maruti, it has to rattle. Doesnt matter if it is GV also.
Edit : one more thing, many maruti owners doesnt even know what is rattling. one of the guy i have met had a Swift, i got into his car and i said why there is so much rattling?, he said what is it? its normal, its so smooth. And trust me, i have seen many people like that.
Only an auto enthusiast is so bothered about rattling. |
Yes I agree! in most cases an auto-enthusiast is the one who's bothered about rattling, NVH, Vibrations, etc. This is NOT just with Maruti, but a majority of owners irrespective of the brand they own are ignorant to such stuff.
My own brother feels that the vibration in our 2 month old SX4 are normal where as for me they aren't.
But the fact that if its a Maruti, hence it has to rattle is incorrect, because any car, machinery or piece of equipment, etc may or may not produce the desired results as its not one but a multiple number of parts and components which are working at the same time. If they don't work in harmony then you will not get the desired results. period
All cars rattle the question is not IF they rattle, but When and Which part causes the rattle.
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Originally Posted by rajneeesh SLK, it is just that. Some people who do not own the car have created the perception that the SX4 rattles. In some of the cases the reason has been found to be the fitment od some acessory ( parking sensors for instance) . |
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Originally Posted by SLK An interesting thing.
if one looks at the poll results,
most people who answered no rattles have sx4 as their car, in their profile.
many who claim one or two rattles have sx4, in their profile.
none who woted for the last two categories have sx4s as their cars in the profile at least.
Well, just an observation, maybe all have extensively driven the rattling sx4s. |
Very true! I have recently bought an SX4 and I am yet to vote (will be voting post 5000KM)
A majority of people form perceptions/ preconcieved notions based on half and at times a quarter of the original information.
eg: There are a lot people who still say the CNG/LPG should not be used as it would damage the engine/ shorten the engine life, major drop in power, reduced Air conditioner effectiveness, explosions/fire, etc but how many of them have actually used a vehicle powered by alternative fuels Maybe: none. We've had a CNG powered fleet in the family 1 M-800, 2 Accents & 3 Esteems. We have not faced any of the above mentioned issues except a mild drop in performance.
My SX4 is about 2 months old, I have just faced one rattle. It was coming from the drivers side window. The rattle was not coming due to a fault at the factory. But instead it was caused due to faulty installation of the wooden door trims by the dealer himself. Two of the screws inside the door trim which holding the wooden trim panel in place were missing.
The issue I face with my car now is not rattles but vibrations, Irrespective of the fact whether the A/C is on or not, Once the engine is warmed up and the RPM settles between ( 0.7-0.8K RPM Band ) the car simply starts to vibrate. But since the car is new, There are no rattles at the moment just plain vibration.
Rattles occur when parts/ clips/ plastic pins are broken or loosely fit. If car manufacturers use screws all around then more than 80% of rattling issues would be solved. But screws being made of metal increase costs & plastic clips are cheaper. Hence the more expensive cars are lesser prone to rattles and have rattling issues much much later in there lifespan. This is the Reason as to why a Maruti starts to rattle, in a comparitively earlier phase of its lifespan as compared to others.
No part of a car rattles on its own. Only when it comes in contact with another part and the car vibrates do the rattles start this is true for broken/ loose clips and not the ones perfectly in shape which hold the plastic trims in place.
So if the door and other plastic trims in your car are fixed/ fastened using plastic clips then your vehicle will be more prone to rattling irrespective of the brand of the car. These clips have a shorter lifespan in our country India due to the fabulous roads we have, as well as incorrect ICE installations with inappropriate or no damping at all. Which in turn causes excessive vibrations leading to a larger number of snapped clips & hence the origin of the phrase "gaadi khadak gai hai" .
The Swift & the SX4 both use more clips than bolts. For each door Trim/ pad Maruti uses just 2 screws and 6 clips. These clips give up with age and the doors start rattling. Picture attached
On the other hand the Hyundai Accent is known to be rattle free for a long time because Hyundai uses 8 screws & 4-5 clips hence the car remains rattle free for a much much longer period of time.
(Check this comment: "Accent owners report that the build quality is better than most tinny Japanese entry-level cars, and stays rattle-free for a long time to come." Source: Team-BHP test drives / reviews)
The picture of the swift door trim below is used for explanation as it is similar to the SX4's in terms of construction and the number of clips & screws used.
The ones marked in white are the screws and the ones in red are clips.
Swift Image Source: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/diy-do...ml#post1482003
Accent Image Source: My own car. All the marked points are screws as the clips are not visible from outside. Apologies for the different colours used.
P.S.: This is what I have learned over the past years, these are my thoughts, views and opinions. This post is not meant to offend anyone, under any circumstances.