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Originally Posted by DCEite No longer is the daily/monthly/yearly running the only criteria of selecting the diesel version of a particular car. Driving pleasure is one area where diesel cars are beginning to make a strong case for themselves. |
You are so right, was wondering whether I was the only guy so impressed with Diesels.
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Originally Posted by iraghava From what I've gathered most modern diesels have that initial surge which makes them a pain to drive in city traffic since you've constantly press the clutch to control it. In bumper to bumper traffic, you still can't potter around like you can in a petrol without having to constantly use the clutch. |
It is just the turbo spooling up, and you will have that "problem" in any turbo car, whether petrol or diesel.
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Originally Posted by reignofchaos There is a lot to driving pleasure other than pure straight line performance. Lots of us favor corner carving capabilities of cars as way more important than pure straight line grunt. |
While that explains you choosing the Cedia over the faster diesels, every time I see that car, and every time I see you post about this topic, I think of the "injustice" Mitsubhishi is doing in India, giving us outdated cars. What is the point of all the handling capabilities if it is so slow in the first place? Of course, if they were to give contemperory engines like they do in the rest of the world, I would be the first guy at a HM showroom.
Wonder if they do that in the rest of the world, or this attitude India specific? They are still pushing the lancer here, probably HM influence, they try to pull an Amby of every car they can lay their hands on!
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Originally Posted by reignofchaos The basic problem with most FWD diesels is that the base car is built as a petrol and putting in a heavier diesel block messes up the weight distribution completely. The front of the car becomes heavy and doesn't change direction as rapidly as one would want and the front heavy nature means the back of the car loses traction sooner than later. |
When these guys put in heavier Diesel blocks, they also change the suspension setup, at least so in Hyundai Accent/Elantra/Sonata. And that is one reason why the diesel versions of these cars have way better high speed manners, but of course, slow speed drive suffers. Anyway, precisely what the doctor ordered for high speed highway driving, and I love the stiff suspension setup on the CRDi Elantra.
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Originally Posted by reignofchaos Unless one builds a diesel car from ground up and it has RWD like the bimmers, one will never get great handling in a diesel car. |
You are so right, but I would take rather take the ability go fast, compared to the all the handling which is there to be used if only it would go faster in the first place?
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Originally Posted by reignofchaos Addendum: A turbo doesn't make controlling the car easier either compared to a high revving petrol. However that is still manageable compared to the bigger problem. |
Put a turbo in a petrol, and you have the same "problem". Of course, for me, the turbo spooling up is not a problem, it is pleasure.
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Originally Posted by greenhorn I find this fascination for revs puzzling. I dont see the point in getting a petrol motor which delivers x bhp at 9000 rpm when you can have a crdi which does the same at 4,500, and that too, while giving even more torque. |
Now, if you can hold gear, ie, if you have more revs, the car would eventually accelerate faster? I still miss a good petrol engine for that. Wish there were more turbo petrol cars around in India...