The Official Fuel Prices Thread

Surprise · 23rd August 2005, 12:50

Read a article in Economic times where the FM says that crude oil cost per barrel has shot up to $67 from $28. If this trend continues, the loss will be between 30000 cr to 40000 cr this fiscal. The only option to cope up with the situation is to increase the price of the petroleum products.

Oops; where it will end.

Is there any other alternative with you other than increase in prices

tsk1979 · 23rd August 2005, 14:19

Two alternatives
1. Biodiesel
2. Electric cars
The govt of india(and other govts) do not push these hard because the refineries gain a lot from oil price increase. If india goes the electric way oil company lobby stands to loose. Shell of USA is buying new jet aircraft, and their profits are soaring. If the world moved to alternate energy sources, these companies would lose money. Since they are rich and powerful, their voice is heard. Only Japan is doing something worthwhile
Are you aware, that in japan the Reva is tax free and the govt gives a subsidy of 2600$. So if indian govt were to abolish taxes on reva and give subsidy it will sell for 75K only. But the govt is not going to reduce excise and taxes on electric vehicles because of the oil lobby. this story repeats in the USA also where oil lobby is very powerful.
For us indians its time to throw out the monkey sitting on FMs post and the donkey leading the nation should also go out alongwith. All these two have done is tax the middle class and appease the super rich and the super poor

shuvc · 23rd August 2005, 14:21

:( .. prices will go up again by Rs. 2 / 3 /4

There is an option -- far fetched one ..

the government starts to better / optimally utilise the revenue they generate and hence keep in check or reduce the duty on fuel ..

ST7677 · 23rd August 2005, 14:38

Other options are
1. Govt can cut duty and taxes on petroleum products, because as the rate goes up the %age tax on this amount also goes up. So the govt is making more money than they budgeted for from petroleum products. Obviously govt is happy to see more tax revenue coming in and is not willing to cut down on duties.
2. Since all crude is not imported, as the crude prices goes up companies extracting crude earn more profits (they sell crude at a higher price). Govt can redistribute this profit so that other oil companies do not make losses. But again this is a complex process and govt does not want to do it.
3. Increase the retail cost - this is the easiest option that govt sees, but it will have disasterous long term impact on economy. But here who cares about the long term.

Congress ka saath aam admi ke saath - haathi ke dant dikhane ke aur & khane ke aur

Insane Devil · 23rd August 2005, 15:21

another option, let the ministers travel around in a bus, with all his guards in it, rather than going around in 10-15 ambis!

the Govt. has still not deployed GAS for public transport vehilcles in all cities! thats a must! that itself conumes a good amount of fuel!

turbo_c · 25th August 2005, 21:55

Best suggestion of all:

Sack half the govt and make the other half work twice as long... that way each of 'em will put in at least half a day's worth of work!

That should cut "overheads" by a sizeable chunk and maybe we would acutally end up with a surplus instead of a deficit!

Does anybody in here actually know how all our tax money is spent? (read "squandered")

- T u r b o C -

Haque · 25th August 2005, 23:01

Interesting news on the rising oil-prices in the US of A.

"Dealerships say sales of 2-wheelers are accelerating: "
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/3324003

Rtech · 19th April 2006, 15:07

I hate to be the one to revive this thread, but unfortunatley we may be in for a shocker soon.

IOC is looking for a price hike in petrol and diesel to the tune of Rs.5.6/litre & Rs.7.6/litre respectively.

IOC seeks price hike in Petrol/diesel - www.mid-day.com

Time to park the 400 and get myself a luna!

Deeps · 19th April 2006, 15:19

Damn!! How come the prices dont come down according to the world crude prices too?? And 5.6-7.6 is a fricking huge amount!!

Rtech · 19th April 2006, 15:22

According to IOC, they are incuring losses of 2,500 crores a years with these prices! Maybe the Govt. needs to wake up and lower the taxes on fuel instead of consistency increasing the price of it.

Jay · 19th April 2006, 15:24

diesel increasing by 7.6 Rs/ litre, great... and i was thinking of giving off my santro and going for a diesel car.... i think i better buy a Reva... atleast current is cheaper compared to petrol/diesel.

Deeps · 19th April 2006, 15:25

Considering the huge demand for Oil in India, how can IOC be making such huge losses while the international players are posting record profits? And you're right about the taxes.

a bit OT, but whats the inflation rate running at?

2L8uLoose · 19th April 2006, 15:29

DOH!!!
DOH!!!
DOH!!!
Makes me wanna CRY...

supremeBaleno · 19th April 2006, 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rtech

Time to park the 400 and get myself a luna!

Nice one, Rtech. But, I guess though most of us think like that, we would never get around to doing it. Sort of like when they raise the cigarette prices, smokers think of quitting. Driving/riding is also sort of addictive.

Way back in '85, when I started driving, a litre of petrol was less than 9 bucks and today is like 47.5 - an increase of 5 times in 20 years.

venkatrx · 19th April 2006, 16:14

Guys,

have a look the 'crude oil prices' for last 60 years......and see how violently they changed during the 'iran revolution'/'gulf war'....

with 'iran-us nuclear dialog' not working out.....the probability of the price changes looms large.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...oil/html/5.stm

During arab-isreali war in 1973 the prices changed from $3 to $11

So in case of US attack on Iran do not be surprised to see petrol prices go up from rs.50/ltr to 200/ltr

Rtech plans to go for a luna.........i will look out for a 'chinese electric' scooter which are available at 30k and charge them at home every night.

Damn it ..... I will miss the Baleno AC

23rd August 2005, 12:50	#121
Surprise Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,522 Thanked: 444 Times	Another increase Read a article in Economic times where the FM says that crude oil cost per barrel has shot up to $67 from $28. If this trend continues, the loss will be between 30000 cr to 40000 cr this fiscal. The only option to cope up with the situation is to increase the price of the petroleum products. Oops; where it will end. Is there any other alternative with you other than increase in prices
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23rd August 2005, 14:19	#122
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,655 Thanked: 21,701 Times View My Garage	Two alternatives 1. Biodiesel 2. Electric cars The govt of india(and other govts) do not push these hard because the refineries gain a lot from oil price increase. If india goes the electric way oil company lobby stands to loose. Shell of USA is buying new jet aircraft, and their profits are soaring. If the world moved to alternate energy sources, these companies would lose money. Since they are rich and powerful, their voice is heard. Only Japan is doing something worthwhile Are you aware, that in japan the Reva is tax free and the govt gives a subsidy of 2600$. So if indian govt were to abolish taxes on reva and give subsidy it will sell for 75K only. But the govt is not going to reduce excise and taxes on electric vehicles because of the oil lobby. this story repeats in the USA also where oil lobby is very powerful. For us indians its time to throw out the monkey sitting on FMs post and the donkey leading the nation should also go out alongwith. All these two have done is tax the middle class and appease the super rich and the super poor
	() Thanks

23rd August 2005, 14:21	#123
shuvc Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kolkata Posts: 2,913 Thanked: 351 Times View My Garage	:( .. prices will go up again by Rs. 2 / 3 /4 There is an option -- far fetched one .. the government starts to better / optimally utilise the revenue they generate and hence keep in check or reduce the duty on fuel ..
	() Thanks

23rd August 2005, 14:38	#124
ST7677 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,051 Thanked: 71 Times	Other options are 1. Govt can cut duty and taxes on petroleum products, because as the rate goes up the %age tax on this amount also goes up. So the govt is making more money than they budgeted for from petroleum products. Obviously govt is happy to see more tax revenue coming in and is not willing to cut down on duties. 2. Since all crude is not imported, as the crude prices goes up companies extracting crude earn more profits (they sell crude at a higher price). Govt can redistribute this profit so that other oil companies do not make losses. But again this is a complex process and govt does not want to do it. 3. Increase the retail cost - this is the easiest option that govt sees, but it will have disasterous long term impact on economy. But here who cares about the long term. Congress ka saath aam admi ke saath - haathi ke dant dikhane ke aur & khane ke aur
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23rd August 2005, 15:21	#125
Insane Devil BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 987 Thanked: 173 Times View My Garage	another option, let the ministers travel around in a bus, with all his guards in it, rather than going around in 10-15 ambis! the Govt. has still not deployed GAS for public transport vehilcles in all cities! thats a must! that itself conumes a good amount of fuel!
	() Thanks

25th August 2005, 21:55	#126
turbo_c BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Pune / Mumbai Posts: 132 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Best suggestion of all: Sack half the govt and make the other half work twice as long... that way each of 'em will put in at least half a day's worth of work! That should cut "overheads" by a sizeable chunk and maybe we would acutally end up with a surplus instead of a deficit! Does anybody in here actually know how all our tax money is spent? (read "squandered") - T u r b o C -
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25th August 2005, 23:01	#127
Haque BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 116 Thanked: 27 Times View My Garage	Interesting news on the rising oil-prices in the US of A. "Dealerships say sales of 2-wheelers are accelerating: " http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/3324003
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19th April 2006, 15:07	#128
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 329 Times View My Garage	I hate to be the one to revive this thread, but unfortunatley we may be in for a shocker soon. IOC is looking for a price hike in petrol and diesel to the tune of Rs.5.6/litre & Rs.7.6/litre respectively. IOC seeks price hike in Petrol/diesel - www.mid-day.com Time to park the 400 and get myself a luna!
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19th April 2006, 15:19	#129
Deeps Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Delhi/Noida Posts: 1,115 Thanked: 162 Times	Damn!! How come the prices dont come down according to the world crude prices too?? And 5.6-7.6 is a fricking huge amount!!
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19th April 2006, 15:22	#130
Rtech Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 5,770 Thanked: 329 Times View My Garage	According to IOC, they are incuring losses of 2,500 crores a years with these prices! Maybe the Govt. needs to wake up and lower the taxes on fuel instead of consistency increasing the price of it.
	() Thanks

19th April 2006, 15:24	#131
Jay BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 819 Thanked: 8 Times	diesel increasing by 7.6 Rs/ litre, great... and i was thinking of giving off my santro and going for a diesel car.... i think i better buy a Reva... atleast current is cheaper compared to petrol/diesel.
	() Thanks

19th April 2006, 15:25	#132
Deeps Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Delhi/Noida Posts: 1,115 Thanked: 162 Times	Considering the huge demand for Oil in India, how can IOC be making such huge losses while the international players are posting record profits? And you're right about the taxes. a bit OT, but whats the inflation rate running at?
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19th April 2006, 15:29	#133
2L8uLoose BANNED Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Bombay Posts: 628 Thanked: 6 Times View My Garage	DOH!!! DOH!!! DOH!!! Makes me wanna CRY...
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19th April 2006, 16:14	#135
venkatrx BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 453 Thanked: 4 Times	Guys, have a look the 'crude oil prices' for last 60 years......and see how violently they changed during the 'iran revolution'/'gulf war'.... with 'iran-us nuclear dialog' not working out.....the probability of the price changes looms large. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...oil/html/5.stm During arab-isreali war in 1973 the prices changed from $3 to $11 So in case of US attack on Iran do not be surprised to see petrol prices go up from rs.50/ltr to 200/ltr Rtech plans to go for a luna.........i will look out for a 'chinese electric' scooter which are available at 30k and charge them at home every night. Damn it ..... I will miss the Baleno AC
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