I thought this thread was for fuel prices. But, high taxes on fuel and high fuel retail prices even when international crude prices are low is fully justified in varied ways. Oh.. its a push for electric cars.. oh, it has to be raised because fair share of income tax is not paid, etc etc etc..!
Taxes on fuel prices are raised because government revenue collected through various means has fallen. Various means = direct + indirect taxes. Indirect tax collection has fallen, or at best has remained flat MoM or YoY because economic growth has been falling mostly (even before Covid struck). But this should be ignored.
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Originally Posted by andafunda If even 20% of luxury car owners in India paid their fair share of taxes, we wouldn't have the problem of the government trying to recover revenue through indirect taxes. |
I do not own a luxury car. But, who so ever has bought a luxury car..
Last I checked, it is not a crime to be earning high incomes (as long as it is through legal means). But, how would one define 'fair share'? They already would be taxed at a minimum rate of 33%. [approximated, 30% tax rate bracket + cess on top of it] That is no way a small tax rate. Especially when some basics like decent roads, clean water, uninterrupted power supply, do not exist in most places in India. On top of the high tax rate, taxes at every level. Dividends from investments - Tax. Buy a luxury car - as already said in above quote - astronomical tax rate of 50%. Basically.. you have high income.. tax tax tax..! That is the solution.
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Originally Posted by andafunda Forget businessmen, there is no way we only have 2,200 doctors, lawyers and CAs making over 1 crore per year in India (as per last year's tax filings). Heck, I can show you atleast 5,000 doctors in Mumbai that make more than 1 crore per year. If you don't believe me, befriend any real estate developer and ask how much of his informal debt comes from doctors at 2% p.m. interest. |
Hasn't successive governments failed at identifying and taxing such individuals, including current government? Demonetization - one of the benefits of it was supposed to be destruction of black money [= money not declared as income] and identification of HNI's so that they could be taxed. So, demonetization failed.. right?
Also, if you have such concrete information that you can show at least 5,000 doctors who make more than 1 crore per year, I'd strongly suggest you to report such incomes and help government authorities. You may find further details here
https://www.incometaxindia.gov.in/pa...back-home.aspx and
https://www.incometaxindia.gov.in/Do...eme-1-5-18.pdf Quote:
Originally Posted by andafunda We are a lower-middle income country with relatively low treasury reserves / natural resources / gold etc. We can't print money out of thin air - we tried that between 2004 and 2010. Guess what we got? Massive currency depreciation, which made everything more expensive. |
Fuel got very expensive because of high international crude oil prices. Even after they were subsidized during the 2004-2010 period.
Also, could you please point me towards an information source which shows there was printing of money in excess of what was needed during that period?
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Originally Posted by andafunda Then we have the bureaucratic machinery and massive corruption, particularly at state / local level. For your reference, we are already at 120% of fiscal deficit target only in 6 months of the financial year owing to COVID revenue losses, stimulus and refusal of state governments to raise debt on their books. |
If governments have refused to raise debt on their books, is that not a good thing. Also, if I understand it correctly, state governments refused to raise debt as central government suggested it as a solution to compensate fall in GST revenue. State governments position (especially the opposition party state governments) was correct in my opinion, since the central government (the current one) assured compensation of short fall to get through GST constitutional amendment. It seems going back on commitments made is the trademark of the current government.. for example, critizing high fuel prices in the 2010-2014 period and now raising taxes on fuel indiscriminately.
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Originally Posted by andafunda Therefore, the government is forced to tax stuff that they can recover easily -- and unfortunately the salaried class has to bear the brunt of double taxation, while our family doctors / lawyers / chacha with a factory in Bhiwandi happily skirt paying income tax and even electricity charges in some cases. |
This purely demonstrates all governments, irrespective of the tall promises they make are incompetent.
No, the government can choose to not tax stuff. It can choose to trust and hire economic experts, take criticism and make changes on the way. Enable growth, such that direct and indirect tax collection increase due to increased economic activity. And salaried class does not have to bear the brunt.
Salaried class too can aspire pay less fuel tax. Salaried class too can aspire high incomes, and thus buy luxury cars after paying reasonable taxes (50% indirect tax on cars is not fair share in any world, I would think).
More importantly, salaried class can change their opinions too. Especially come to believe that it does not matter which government comes to power, they will be taken for a ride. And thus, choose to vote any which way.
In the mean time, let me fuel up petrol and pay fair share taxes of 65% because government has failed in its economic policies.
Also, I have only attempted to rebut the points you have made. I do apologize if you find the tone of the message harsh. I no way intend to do that. I only wanted to make my points. Cheers.