15th January 2009, 00:41 | #556 |
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why should it be a problem for Hyundai so long its a Hyundai they manage to sell? i10 or i20 whatever the customer prefers They should be too happy to sell |
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15th January 2009, 07:51 | #557 | |
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IMO, Hyundai does'nt expect to sell i20 in large nos in India. They only plan to sell only 20K units in a year and that translates to only 1600 units a month. They will manage to achieve their target of 1600 units a month during the initial "Honey Moon" Period. And after an year or so, they'll give some discounts to maintain the figure. They don't care if we think it is overpriced or it will go the getz way. The car was designed and tested mainly for European market, where Hyundai will sell it happily at a very competitive price. But atleast in India, they could have put the kappa engine in the getz and priced it competitively. IMO, Hyundai, does'nt really care about Indian Market other than B segment. Regards! | |
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Verna Petrol is not doing gr8 because of the fact that Verna D brought a revolutionary change in the performance of C-Class and Verna D itself killed Verna Petrol. Same with Accent CRDi, a revolutionary change in the diesel segment too. Even though the price is way too high for Verna D if compared to SX4 but still it will selling like a hot cake compared with SX4 in terms of number of sales. Anyways, i don't wanna go offtopic... this verna, accent discussion ends here from my side. Cheers cheers:. Quote:
Janta here will see if swift has 6X kg less weight and 9 odd bhp more? come on aseem mate, hyundai havnt launched it to beat the hell out of swift in terms of performance. they have introduced a much better with big list of features. Janta in India gets excited just like they went crazy when sx4 was launched. Quote:
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15th January 2009, 09:14 | #559 | |
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1) Accent is way past its prime and sells to a niche crowd who want low cost of running through CNG and a sedan and a low initial price. Nobody considers it a serious C segment sedan anymore. Its more like Indigo, Ikon competition now. 2) Verna Petrol didnt fail caz of Verna diesel. Its your presumtion, my view on this is, it failed caz it had competition from likes of City, SX4 and Fiesta in the segment. 3) Verna Deisel sells caz its the only Diesel in its class (C segment). Dezire has possibly taken away some customers, Linea Deisel too will take away some customers. The car looks a dud, handles like a dud, has low safety features and is exhorbitantly priced. The only saving grace is the engine. (Just my opinion and not meant to offend any Verna D owners) 4) Elantra failed worldwide with that model due to its odd looks even though it was a terrific VFM imo. 5) i20 however is far from vfm. 6) Gearing ratios argument is overrated imo. Why would you change gear to 3rd on 30kmph or 4th at 40kmph??? I guess those upgrading from M800 or Santro with low gearing ratios tend to do that. But most who have driven higher displacement petrol cars dont! On NH8 I almost always change to 4th at 80 kmph. By that time I have had ample accerlation. Last edited by aseem : 15th January 2009 at 09:15. | |
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15th January 2009, 09:41 | #560 |
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| Why are folks bending over backwards to justify why 80 bhp is good enough, folks who buy a slightly higher priced hatch are probably not looking for something that is good enough, they want more or else they would settle for something less, right? A normal customer wont buy a car to race or something like that but then if that is the case why even have a discussion about bhp for any car other than a race car? As the market evolves so does people's expectations and since this is not a cheap hatch there is little reason for it to be underpowered, at least the 1.4 should have been offered but now at 6.5 for the 1.2 the 1.4 would be 7 plus which is way too much for an i20. Of course some would pay that and more for the i20 as they post here, like folks here were justifying 8 lakhs for the Fabia on the feeble round of ill defined 'premiumness' but are they reflective of the market. |
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15th January 2009, 09:42 | #561 |
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| @Gangsta - Sonata & Elantra - didn't complain they were overpriced. I just say they failed. Getz,i20&Verna CRDI are overpriced. Think i mentioned this in a previous message too. Verna Petrol - sorry - cant buy your argument. Diesel sells coz its got a good engine and there's not much to compare to, but petrol is a dud in its class. There's no reason anyone would prefer it over a City, Fiesta or an SX4. As for Linea D - game has moved on and Palio is a 7 year old car. Linea is a better looking, better featured and better built car than its competitors and comes at much less price. Verna D topend model costs 10L OTR and dont even have airbags!!! But knowing its a FIAT - anything can happen. Only time will tell Last edited by SkyWalker : 15th January 2009 at 09:43. |
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15th January 2009, 09:53 | #562 | |
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Sorry folks for veering off the topic. It was only a feedback. Back to i20 - How do you guys rate the i20 ad? | |
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15th January 2009, 10:01 | #563 | |
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Because of recession factor? May be - people nowadays not willing to pay too much as premium, and settles with low-cost models with adequate features. Keeping that in mind, i20 will not have many takers from B-segment, but some C-segment buyers may settle with i20. Let's wait and see. | |
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15th January 2009, 12:17 | #564 | |
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I (and I think most of us) would have jumped at i20 under these two condtions - (1) Current i20 Asta priced around 5.5L to 5.7L max on-road. (2) Asta priced at 6.3L to 6.5L with 1.3 or 1.4 Diesel engine. 6.36 on-road for i20 Asta are way too high with just 1.2L petrol engine. Linea has shown that it is posssible to build excellent cars with competitive pricing! Linea quality is really awesome! How I wish Palio SDX had more features, or GP coming soon in the market!! AMEN! | |
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15th January 2009, 12:18 | #565 |
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| Guys It seems to be a hot discussion hapenning over here. Well I do accept that people here don't take the cars for their Gear Ratios, Handling and Driveblility but the Brand Image, sales guys and those misleading comparo charts do. (I myself had experienced so many times that people come at showrooms and believe what the sales guys says. The sales guy from Maruti would any day attract a buyer by saying it has more power and lesser price and Its a Maruti as well) No matter Hyundai is second largest seller in India, it still cannot touch Maruti for its brand Image. Everyone here accepts Hyundai overprices their cars. I20 is the great product but its the Swift which is the Benchmark in the Country for these Big hatches, every person who wants to upgarde to the big hatch sees the swift as the target, every college going boy wants swift for flair in hatches and as for the features there are hardly any ZXI's as compared to Vxi's despite being terrifc VFM product. Last edited by S_budhiraj : 15th January 2009 at 12:22. |
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15th January 2009, 13:07 | #566 | |
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The takers of the i20 will be more of a confused buyer like: 1) whether to go for a low end C- segment car or a high end B segment car 2) whether to go for feature-rich C-segment car or feature-rich B segment car. | |
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15th January 2009, 13:13 | #567 | |
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i20 is less of a challenge for them for now at least!!! | |
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15th January 2009, 14:32 | #568 | |
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I think i20 is among the cars that may be hit by Linea. Because even though both benefit from the novelty factor, Linea at around 6L - 6.8L gives stiff competition to i20 which comes around 5.7L - 6.5L. | |
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Hell, a majority of the car buying junta even skimps on ABS to save 20,000 rupees! Note this is a life saving feature I am talking about. And you are talking of a lakh odd here? That is HUGE money in the hatchback segment. Let's also not forget that you can get amongst the most competent diesel hatches like the Swift VDI & the Tata Vista for same / less money than the base i20. Quote:
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BTW, I did check out the i20 last evening. In a nutshell, fabulous looking (as I have always insisted) and outstanding quality. The build & quality is stuff that the Swift can only dream about (the Fabia is better in outright quality though). However, the engine was a disappointment (in consideration of its so-called premium positioning). It may just about manage its job in the city. On the open road, it is a DUD! A BHPian commented in another thread of how a diesel Swift left him (in an i20) for dead at a 100 kph....I can see why. A premium hatch got to drive like one. And sadly, the puny engine stops it from performing like one. Does the Indian car buyer appreciate a premium car with a not-so-premium engine? Nope. Just ask Skoda Fabia 1.2. Quote:
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Let me put it in a simpler way. Are Honda cars in India overpriced? Of course they are. Honda knows they can get away with charging a premium for their quality, durability, resale & brand value. In the same breath, I'd add that customers (myself included) have no problem paying the premium for the resultant peace-of-the-mind factor. There are obviously many, else so many Honda / Toyota products wouldn't have been stellar successes. Do they have the right equipment for the price? You gotta be kidding me. Anyone who sees the standard fitment on the ANHC, Civic or Accord will know. If it has actually failed, YES. Simply because 99% of flop models have terrible resale too. Forget FE & service costs, resale is the single largest cost of ownership for 9 out of 10 owners. Quote:
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- Once the new launch dust settles down, the i20 will become a market dud. - Hyundai will offer massive discounts to meet local sales targets. This is when existing owners will suffer on account of resale. - Hopefully, Hyundai corrects its prices and launches a super diesel / bigger petrol for a reasonable asking price. Last edited by GTO : 15th January 2009 at 14:35. | ||||||||||
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At ex-showroom level, ZXI -> Asta has a premium of 50+k. I would have preferred if Hyundai launched more than 2 models, so that customer wouldn't be forced to settle for base version, or highest option at a high price. Quote:
If i20 Asta high-end variant was not launched, a lot of people (bhpians included) would heavily criticize the lack of this feature and that (as borne in new car launch threads ...). So they did good to launch a fully loaded version. They needed to provide more variants though! Quote:
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BTW, i10 Kappa (1.2l) Magna engine variants are pretty expensive - just 1l lower than i20 Magna. Quote:
i20 Magna -> i20 A & B i20 A = i20 Magna - 40k (more or less bare) i20 B = i20 Magna i20Asta -> i20X & i20Y i20X -> i20Asta - 30k (less features) i20Y -> i20Asta7 Now i20X -> i20X 1.4l (+60k) i.e. i20Asta + 30k i20Y -> i20Y 1.4l (+60k) i.e. i20Asta + 60k Above is just illustrative based on what they did for i10! Or just go for 1.4CRDI. For (say) 60-80k factoring in excise benefits, they maybe able to launch diesel variants. Quote:
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IMO, what is 'premium' itself is relative, and I see every 'premium' car manufacturer providing a range of engine options, the lowest of which can't be called 'premium' in the way we discuss here. So, Hyundai is doing what everybody else also does! They should launch additional engine options, yes. But let's say we take the 'premium alround' definition, then would i20Asta with 1.4l engine at current price have been a good offering in your view ? Would that be the right 'premium' positioning for i20 from Hyundai ? | |||||||
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