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Originally Posted by Dose BMW (besides the ones from M-divison) seems to be the only one consistently above the industry average and within spitting distance of the Japanese over the last five years of VDS surveys: |
BMW ranked on par with Nissan in JD's US '08 reliability survey too. Fantastic job, if you consider where the rest of the Germans are (especially Mercedes Benz). Unfortunate that German car owners have to cope with lack of reliability, while their friends who spend 1/3rd on a Japanese car take it for granted.
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Ichibaan damaged your City and tried to hide it. You did not have much to lose by talking to them the way you described and it was not a warranty matter.
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Doesn't matter really, does it? The question is not about warranty or otherwise. It is about the effect that an aggressive tone can have on a retail business. At the end of the day, I got what I wanted using the tone that I did. Look, let me make it simple. Do what works for you. None of us would start with getting overtly aggressive, however if a polite demeanor doesn’t work, my experience shows that an aggressive tone can make miracles happen (as it has for some others on this thread too).
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So you have not told us if you had politely demanded a new car based on the bad service history
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Without describing the negotiations, we cannot know what tone, what threats and how many ounces of P you used when dealing with MBIL.
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Applying common sense while viewing the tone of my thread is enough to tell about the level of politeness (or lack of it). Either ways, any business would prefer impoliteness in a closed cabin rather than in an article that shouts it out from the rooftops.
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For the case of the "German" Astra, again it gave plenty of trouble during the warranty period and the judges (perhaps Aussie fans?) did not like the fact that Australia was not mentioned in the brochure:
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"Plenty of trouble" is a generic / subjective term. And by itself, useless. Note that the ARAI tested the car and it performed normally:
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we find that the vehicle has behaved normally and is very much similar to the one which we have tested during prototype approval. From above it can be concluded that the production quality of the vehicle under test is the same as was given to ARAI for prototype approval. The results of the additional subjective evaluations, conducted to evaluate the complaints, show that the vehicle has behaved normally”.
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It’s quite evident that the car was replaced due to misleading advertising rather than faults.
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It took him a few years of fighting, eventually landing up at the national/supreme consumer court where they ruled in his favour.
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The fight for justice normally requires one to tread upon a difficult – less frequented – road. Nothing new in the Indian judiciary system and depends on how badly you want it (justice).
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The customer is said to have had a long harsh conversation with the dealer.
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Glad you agree.
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Also, I am not sure if it is wise to go to court over a flywheel.
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Of course it isn't! That's what has been posted earlier by me and others.
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4) Please give a link to a case.
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Link to where? Cases? The entire history of consumer court judgments doesn’t exist on that website, and neither is it searchable. Please consult with a competent consumer activity / lawyer for case referrals.
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What do you mean? I do not understand.
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Allow me to explain : If the warranty period (only) meant everything to the consumer court, no manufacturer would be willing to take a huge liability by offering extended warranties for up to 5 years. That is simply too much exposure!
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6) Maybe I misread the opening post but I thought Sam's MD wrote the email and not Sam.
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Does it matter? The point is, Skoda has already been contacted. And they have denied replacement.
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Which is why I meant that even though Skoda has said "no," the MD should try once again to present his case to Skoda by asking the dealer to do it
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Accepted to an extent. If one phone call can be worth 36 grand, why not? I might add, knowing Skodas non-customer centric attitude, can't really be hopeful.
My real advice to Sahil would be this : Get the car checked by a competent after-market specialist. Skoda & their dealers have been known to quote astronomical prices for replacements that aren't required. My gut feeling is that the flywheel is absolutely fine.
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As you have said in your article, polite firm negotiation is step 1:
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Absolutely. That stage is already over in this case, if you ask me.
EDIT : @ Manaa45 : Great job!