new T branded sedan-4 engine options

sidindica · 2nd February 2009, 20:55

the information is preliminary and subject to change, since the matter i am posting is with a closely guarded talk with the top person handling this car through a jugaad.
i will not disclose the name of the company and the car due to security concerns but subtle hints will make you guys know easily what product i am talking about.

I REQUEST FELLOW BHP-IANS NOT TO MENTION THE NAME OF THE CAR DISCUSSED IN THIS THREAD IN ANY OF THE REPLIES.

yes, indirectly we can talk about it.

so lets begin uncloaking the mystry:
expected launch: mid-2009
trim levels: 8 (4 petrol, 4 diesel)
base 2 petrol models will have a 1.4 16v twin cam "indegenious" engine which currently powers the budget limousine (XL)
base 2 diesel models will come with dicor engine

upper end 2 petrol and 2 diesel models will come with same engines as powered in an italian company's premium midsize sedan which is sold through the T-branded dealerships.

ONCE AGAIN-do not write the name of the car.
all information may be subject to change at the time of launch.

expected pricing:5.25-7.25 lakh

that's all for now.
to be continued in a few minutes.

A.R · 2nd February 2009, 21:01

Eureka...I get it I get it! Wow this is news. Never thought the so called T- branded car maker would come up with a new sedan so soon ans that too this year. Does this mean competition or setback for the Italian partner, sharing same engines? Guess time will answer.

Fountainheader · 2nd February 2009, 21:03

Hehe. Scoop galore!

And way too many clues there.. but damn I love Windows XP!

iraghava · 2nd February 2009, 21:06

Based on this company's new hatchback platform I suppose? How much content does it share with the hatchback? I mean with reference to the interiors, trims, styling etc.

phamilyman · 2nd February 2009, 21:15

Of course, had to come. The T company's XL version's 16v engine had 100bhp from long (connections to the italian?), and the diesel is anyways long expected - since the italians love shooting their cars in the head!

Laavlis. btw, have to hand this to you.

Most of us just leech/timepass off teambhp. You actually drive traffic up (imo) with the quality of your reviews - fit material for a good quality autoblog unlike so much of the junk that floats around in the Indian scene. I look forward to your regular scoops - thanks for sharing with us

abhinav.gupta88 · 2nd February 2009, 21:20

It is reported to share a good amount of things from its hatch cousin.
However it will have a longer wheelbase and a boot attached to the rear like the Dzire.

aaggoswami · 2nd February 2009, 21:23

Again a disappointment on engine front. I thought they will have newer generation multijets available as compared to their own.

But what really makes confused is that where will Linea go then. I am sure the 1.4 diesels will make the new sedan to match performance of Linea. Moreover, Linea does not have the best rear seat, and I am sure this new sedan will have a lot of space.

Bring it on to take on Overrated ( IMHO ) Linea. The first serious diesel competition to Linea will be from its friend MOU manufacturer.

Volt · 2nd February 2009, 21:29

Great scoop as always Sid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidindica

base 2 petrol models will have a 1.4 16v twin cam "indegenious" engine which currently powers the budget limousine (XL)
base 2 diesel models will come with dicor engine

upper end 2 petrol and 2 diesel models will come with same engines as powered in an italian company's premium midsize sedan

The above part is a bit confusing. Does this mean the base petrols will be more powerful than the upper end? IMHO seems unlikely. Would love to see the 1.4 16v twincam in the hatch though

sidindica · 2nd February 2009, 21:40

the varients:(once again-only indicative information, subject to change).so don't blame me if the information given MAY not match partially when the final product is launched).

petrol-"v stands for versions"

v1-1.4 16v dohc "indegenious"-85 bhp, scaled down version of xl's petrol engine.
v2- same engine as v1
v3-same engine as that of its italian sedan with 90bhp
v4-same engine as v3.

diesel-

v1 and v2-dicor engine from xl with 75 bhp
v3 and v4-qjd engine with VGT and 86 ps

names of the versions not yet finalised.

SkyWalker · 2nd February 2009, 22:03

Sid - great scoop.

Doubt the pricing though. At the 7.25 ex, the T-branded will be only 90K cheaper than than the F-brand Diesel. At that price difference, dunno how many will go for the T-brand assuming the fit and finish wont match F.

sidindica · 2nd February 2009, 22:10

dimensions:

length: 4300 mm approx
width: 1710 mm approx
height: 1550 mm approx
wheelbase: 2580 mm approx
ground clearence: 180 m approx
tyre size: 175/65 R14 on v1, v2, v3,
185/60 R14 with alloys on v4

brakes: front: 240 mm ventilated disc
rear: self-adjusting drums
ABS (expected to be standard on v4)

front suspension: independent, lower wishbone, mcpherson strut with coil-spring and anti-roll bar
rear suspension: semi independent 5-link with coil-spring and telescopic shock absorber

sidindica · 2nd February 2009, 22:32

basic v1 (1.4 16v dohc 85ps petrol-desi and 1.4 dicor 75ps diesel)

exterior
full wheel covers
clear headlights and vertical taillights
chrome plating on silencer pipe
black side door mouldings, handles and both side osrvm
single tone grey interior

interior
tilt steering
tachometer on central mounted instrument cluster
a/c with heater
power steering
semi-fabric upholstry with fabric inserts on door trims
big glove box with coin and pen holder
front power outlet

safety and security
3-point seat belt
child safety lock on rear doors

kpbhatt · 2nd February 2009, 22:35

what @ the compact sedan from the T brand -- is it gonna remain as is or is it getting a makeover too?

sidindica · 2nd February 2009, 22:38

the CS will be in production for some more time since it is a smash hit and was just launched 1 year ago.
normal t-sedan and XL may be phased out.

should i put information of upper-end varients?

sidindica · 2nd February 2009, 22:50

looks like things are heating up else where..so cool down.

v2-same engines as v1 but adds the following features

exterior
front fog lamps
rear fog lamps

interior
dual tone grey interiors
power windows all four
full fabric seats with diver and co-driver pockets behind the seats

safety and security
manual central locking
rear defogger

2nd February 2009, 20:55	#1
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,890 Thanked: 8,101 Times	new T branded sedan-4 engine options the information is preliminary and subject to change, since the matter i am posting is with a closely guarded talk with the top person handling this car through a jugaad. i will not disclose the name of the company and the car due to security concerns but subtle hints will make you guys know easily what product i am talking about. I REQUEST FELLOW BHP-IANS NOT TO MENTION THE NAME OF THE CAR DISCUSSED IN THIS THREAD IN ANY OF THE REPLIES. yes, indirectly we can talk about it. so lets begin uncloaking the mystry: expected launch: mid-2009 trim levels: 8 (4 petrol, 4 diesel) base 2 petrol models will have a 1.4 16v twin cam "indegenious" engine which currently powers the budget limousine (XL) base 2 diesel models will come with dicor engine upper end 2 petrol and 2 diesel models will come with same engines as powered in an italian company's premium midsize sedan which is sold through the T-branded dealerships. ONCE AGAIN-do not write the name of the car. all information may be subject to change at the time of launch. expected pricing:5.25-7.25 lakh that's all for now. to be continued in a few minutes. Last edited by sidindica : 2nd February 2009 at 20:57.
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2nd February 2009, 21:01	#2
A.R BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 151 Thanked: 11 Times	Eureka...I get it I get it! Wow this is news. Never thought the so called T- branded car maker would come up with a new sedan so soon ans that too this year. Does this mean competition or setback for the Italian partner, sharing same engines? Guess time will answer.
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2nd February 2009, 21:03	#3
Fountainheader Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 1,501 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	Hehe. Scoop galore! And way too many clues there.. but damn I love Windows XP!
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2nd February 2009, 21:06	#4
iraghava Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bhaiyyaland Posts: 8,033 Thanked: 265 Times View My Garage	Based on this company's new hatchback platform I suppose? How much content does it share with the hatchback? I mean with reference to the interiors, trims, styling etc.
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2nd February 2009, 21:15	#5
phamilyman Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 5,968 Thanked: 4,641 Times	Of course, had to come. The T company's XL version's 16v engine had 100bhp from long (connections to the italian?), and the diesel is anyways long expected - since the italians love shooting their cars in the head! Laavlis. btw, have to hand this to you. Most of us just leech/timepass off teambhp. You actually drive traffic up (imo) with the quality of your reviews - fit material for a good quality autoblog unlike so much of the junk that floats around in the Indian scene. I look forward to your regular scoops - thanks for sharing with us Last edited by phamilyman : 2nd February 2009 at 21:22.
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2nd February 2009, 21:20	#6
abhinav.gupta88 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Delhi , India Posts: 4,092 Thanked: 325 Times View My Garage	It is reported to share a good amount of things from its hatch cousin. However it will have a longer wheelbase and a boot attached to the rear like the Dzire.
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2nd February 2009, 21:23	#7
aaggoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vadodara Posts: 4,982 Thanked: 2,930 Times	Again a disappointment on engine front. I thought they will have newer generation multijets available as compared to their own. But what really makes confused is that where will Linea go then. I am sure the 1.4 diesels will make the new sedan to match performance of Linea. Moreover, Linea does not have the best rear seat, and I am sure this new sedan will have a lot of space. Bring it on to take on Overrated ( IMHO ) Linea. The first serious diesel competition to Linea will be from its friend MOU manufacturer.
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2nd February 2009, 21:40	#9
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,890 Thanked: 8,101 Times	the varients:(once again-only indicative information, subject to change).so don't blame me if the information given MAY not match partially when the final product is launched). petrol-"v stands for versions" v1-1.4 16v dohc "indegenious"-85 bhp, scaled down version of xl's petrol engine. v2- same engine as v1 v3-same engine as that of its italian sedan with 90bhp v4-same engine as v3. diesel- v1 and v2-dicor engine from xl with 75 bhp v3 and v4-qjd engine with VGT and 86 ps names of the versions not yet finalised. Last edited by sidindica : 2nd February 2009 at 21:43.
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2nd February 2009, 22:03	#10
SkyWalker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,531 Thanked: 136 Times	Sid - great scoop. Doubt the pricing though. At the 7.25 ex, the T-branded will be only 90K cheaper than than the F-brand Diesel. At that price difference, dunno how many will go for the T-brand assuming the fit and finish wont match F.
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2nd February 2009, 22:10	#11
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,890 Thanked: 8,101 Times	dimensions: length: 4300 mm approx width: 1710 mm approx height: 1550 mm approx wheelbase: 2580 mm approx ground clearence: 180 m approx tyre size: 175/65 R14 on v1, v2, v3, 185/60 R14 with alloys on v4 brakes: front: 240 mm ventilated disc rear: self-adjusting drums ABS (expected to be standard on v4) front suspension: independent, lower wishbone, mcpherson strut with coil-spring and anti-roll bar rear suspension: semi independent 5-link with coil-spring and telescopic shock absorber
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2nd February 2009, 22:32	#12
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,890 Thanked: 8,101 Times	basic v1 (1.4 16v dohc 85ps petrol-desi and 1.4 dicor 75ps diesel) exterior full wheel covers clear headlights and vertical taillights chrome plating on silencer pipe black side door mouldings, handles and both side osrvm single tone grey interior interior tilt steering tachometer on central mounted instrument cluster a/c with heater power steering semi-fabric upholstry with fabric inserts on door trims big glove box with coin and pen holder front power outlet safety and security 3-point seat belt child safety lock on rear doors Last edited by sidindica : 2nd February 2009 at 22:34.
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2nd February 2009, 22:35	#13
kpbhatt BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 349 Thanked: 33 Times View My Garage	what @ the compact sedan from the T brand -- is it gonna remain as is or is it getting a makeover too?
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2nd February 2009, 22:38	#14
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,890 Thanked: 8,101 Times	the CS will be in production for some more time since it is a smash hit and was just launched 1 year ago. normal t-sedan and XL may be phased out. should i put information of upper-end varients?
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2nd February 2009, 22:50	#15
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,890 Thanked: 8,101 Times	looks like things are heating up else where..so cool down. v2-same engines as v1 but adds the following features exterior front fog lamps rear fog lamps interior dual tone grey interiors power windows all four full fabric seats with diver and co-driver pockets behind the seats safety and security manual central locking rear defogger Last edited by sidindica : 2nd February 2009 at 22:51.
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