new T branded sedan-4 engine options

sidindica · 2nd February 2009, 22:59

v3- 1.4 italian petrol with 90 ps 16v dohc and 1.3 italian qjd with 86 ps 16v dohc

adds features to v2:

exterior
black-out film on b-pillar
coloured door handles, handles and mirrors
chrome grille and body side moulding
chrome decklid handle

interior
dual tone beige interior
integrated stereo with am/fm, usb and aux-in
hand remote
driver's seat height adjust
rear set arm-rest
driver side adjustible lumber support

safety
same as v2

Steeroid · 2nd February 2009, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidindica

v1-1.4 16v dohc "indegenious"-85 bhp, scaled down version of xl's petrol engine.

diesel-

v1 and v2-dicor engine from xl with 75 bhp

If the XL's petrol engine had 100 bhp and the 1.4 DICOR was allegedly capable of outputs upto 90bhp, are we seeing a lower state of tune so that "T" engines are not seen to be > "F" engines to justify the premium on "F"?

There must be a very confused set of people at "T" wondering what to do with an allegedly premium brand that is not offering a premium engine. I dont think this 'partnership' is going anywhere if that is indeed the case.

sidindica · 2nd February 2009, 23:04

v4-the top end executive varient-same engines as v3, planned to be launched after some more time, not immediate

adds features to v3:

exterior
alloy wheels

interior
leather upholstry
rear a/c vents with power outlet
co-driver side lumber support adjust
chiller glove box
blaupunket stereo with bluetooth and intgrated phone dialer (same as the limited 10th anniversery edition of the hatchback launched recently)
DVD player with twin LCD screens (not sure-may or may-not come)
rear reading light

safety
ABS
driver side airbag (passenger airbag not confirmed-may or may not come)
remote keyless entry system

sidindica · 2nd February 2009, 23:07

that's the list all I can put. features like trip computer, which warning buzzer etc are not confirmed and so, cannot put until i am sure of the concrete info.

it's just in bits and pieces that i framed together and gave you guys this info and ONCE AGAIN-IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

cheers
sid

1100D · 2nd February 2009, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidindica

v1-1.4 16v dohc "indegenious"-85 bhp, scaled down version of xl's petrol engine.

Thats the same as that is produced by the current T-branded petrol sedan.

The twin cam 16 valve 1396cc Petrol motor that powers the T-branded Econolimo makes around 100bhp.

Out of curiouslity I have driven a vehicle powered by this motor. It might produce 100bhp at a certain Rpm, but powerdelivery across the rpm range isn't something to write home about. Hopefully lot of work and improvements have gone into it. However, curiousity again, wants to see the performance of this engine in the T-branded original hatch (having the lightest bodyshell).

greenhorn · 2nd February 2009, 23:12

ah yes, so T is not killing the dicor ! there had been talk when another car was launched without the dicor, sparking talk that the dicor was a failed engine. guess its not.

PS: could you please post how much torque the dicor engine puts out ?

frankmehta · 2nd February 2009, 23:17

if there was TEAM BHPIAN of the year award, id give it to Sidindica! waah waah! good job!

Steeroid · 2nd February 2009, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenhorn

ah yes, so T is not killing the dicor ! there had been talk when another car was launched without the dicor, sparking talk that the dicor was a failed engine. guess its not.

Not likely - the Dicor hatch from "T" packed quite a punch. The Taxi operator friend of mine bought one for 'premium' duties (i.e., white board discreetly let out for people who dont want to be seen travelling in yellow boards but dont want to pay sedan rates), but decided to keep it for his personal use after buying it. It is actually quite fun to drive even in the 68 bhp mode.

SilentEngine · 2nd February 2009, 23:22

awesome scoop!

It will be interesting to see if this has any impact on admiration of F brand cars. IMO this shouldn't really be a problem as F Brand seems to have got off to a good start.

BTW, if this launch is in mid 2009, when will the new F Brand hatch come, Is it before
or after this. Or do we again hear someone saying "we don't want to confuse customers with too many launches"

musicvj · 2nd February 2009, 23:29

Sid, u rock

. You are the scoop master.

hmm why would brand F see a competition so soon and within themselves? Won't they want the honeymoon period for some more time. Strange weird world. They are confusing me

meghan · 2nd February 2009, 23:34

Great Scoop!

T seem to be on a roll after their alliances with the F brand!
The Diesel from the F brand with VGT on a lighter car will be great fun I expect!

SkyWalker · 3rd February 2009, 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilentEngine

Or do we again hear someone saying "we don't want to confuse customers with too many launches"

Nay - don't think so. For whatever is worth the T-brand was never guilty of poor execution and delays. That is the sole property of F brand

abk · 3rd February 2009, 00:24

Sidindica pops up with yet another scoop again

Is there an outside chance of new Safari speculation? am all ears and eyes!

muneemmk · 3rd February 2009, 01:15

The Italian car which just hit the showroom is still in it's honeymoon period, when that's over many people who walks into the T-showroom will think twice before going for the italian one or the home grown one and will settle with the later just like the little q-jet and multijet hatches, this JV is doing more damage than good for the Italians. Sad.

nishant_kingpin · 3rd February 2009, 06:10

Wow great scoop as always sidindica. Wondering if you were receiving the info over the phone or something and jotting down while listening

The only concern that pops to my mind is the problems this Brand is facing across product range from cars to large vehicles. With cash inflow down to a trickle it will be interesting to see how they manage the burden of expensive purchases, plant shifts, New Launch expenses as well as better product support.

Have seen an increase of their Car & SUV adds on TV lately.

2nd February 2009, 22:59	#16
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,892 Thanked: 8,106 Times	v3- 1.4 italian petrol with 90 ps 16v dohc and 1.3 italian qjd with 86 ps 16v dohc adds features to v2: exterior black-out film on b-pillar coloured door handles, handles and mirrors chrome grille and body side moulding chrome decklid handle interior dual tone beige interior integrated stereo with am/fm, usb and aux-in hand remote driver's seat height adjust rear set arm-rest driver side adjustible lumber support safety same as v2
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2nd February 2009, 23:04	#18
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,892 Thanked: 8,106 Times	v4-the top end executive varient-same engines as v3, planned to be launched after some more time, not immediate adds features to v3: exterior alloy wheels interior leather upholstry rear a/c vents with power outlet co-driver side lumber support adjust chiller glove box blaupunket stereo with bluetooth and intgrated phone dialer (same as the limited 10th anniversery edition of the hatchback launched recently) DVD player with twin LCD screens (not sure-may or may-not come) rear reading light safety ABS driver side airbag (passenger airbag not confirmed-may or may not come) remote keyless entry system
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2nd February 2009, 23:07	#19
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,892 Thanked: 8,106 Times	that's the list all I can put. features like trip computer, which warning buzzer etc are not confirmed and so, cannot put until i am sure of the concrete info. it's just in bits and pieces that i framed together and gave you guys this info and ONCE AGAIN-IT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. cheers sid
	() Thanks

2nd February 2009, 23:12	#21
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,398 Times View My Garage	ah yes, so T is not killing the dicor ! there had been talk when another car was launched without the dicor, sparking talk that the dicor was a failed engine. guess its not. PS: could you please post how much torque the dicor engine puts out ?
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2nd February 2009, 23:17	#22
frankmehta Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,000 Thanked: 3,577 Times View My Garage	if there was TEAM BHPIAN of the year award, id give it to Sidindica! waah waah! good job!
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2nd February 2009, 23:22	#24
SilentEngine Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: KA19,KA04 Posts: 1,167 Thanked: 735 Times View My Garage	awesome scoop! It will be interesting to see if this has any impact on admiration of F brand cars. IMO this shouldn't really be a problem as F Brand seems to have got off to a good start. BTW, if this launch is in mid 2009, when will the new F Brand hatch come, Is it before or after this. Or do we again hear someone saying "we don't want to confuse customers with too many launches"
	() Thanks

2nd February 2009, 23:29	#25
musicvj BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 115 Thanked: 3 Times	Sid, u rock . You are the scoop master. hmm why would brand F see a competition so soon and within themselves? Won't they want the honeymoon period for some more time. Strange weird world. They are confusing me
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2nd February 2009, 23:34	#26
meghan BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mountain View Posts: 114 Thanked: 20 Times View My Garage	Great Scoop! T seem to be on a roll after their alliances with the F brand! The Diesel from the F brand with VGT on a lighter car will be great fun I expect!
	() Thanks

3rd February 2009, 00:24	#28
abk BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NOIDA / Gurgaon Posts: 277 Thanked: 15 Times	Sidindica pops up with yet another scoop again Is there an outside chance of new Safari speculation? am all ears and eyes!
	() Thanks

3rd February 2009, 01:15	#29
muneemmk BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Cochin Posts: 832 Thanked: 99 Times View My Garage	The Italian car which just hit the showroom is still in it's honeymoon period, when that's over many people who walks into the T-showroom will think twice before going for the italian one or the home grown one and will settle with the later just like the little q-jet and multijet hatches, this JV is doing more damage than good for the Italians. Sad.
	() Thanks

3rd February 2009, 06:10	#30
nishant_kingpin BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 335 Thanked: 4 Times	Wow great scoop as always sidindica. Wondering if you were receiving the info over the phone or something and jotting down while listening The only concern that pops to my mind is the problems this Brand is facing across product range from cars to large vehicles. With cash inflow down to a trickle it will be interesting to see how they manage the burden of expensive purchases, plant shifts, New Launch expenses as well as better product support. Have seen an increase of their Car & SUV adds on TV lately.
	() Thanks