New Toyota Corolla Altis J model/variant

spyglass · 25th February 2009, 15:06

Has anyone heard about the new J variant of the Altis? Specs attached. I can't find any other threads about it. The Delhi dealers are offering it since the last three days.

It's a basic version, lower than the G variant. Compared to the G, it is missing the following:

SRS Air Bags (Driver + Passenger)
HID Headlamps with Retractable Washers
Front Fog Lamps
Front Seat Belt has no Pre Tensioner and Force Limiter
Inner Rear View Mirror is not auto anti-glare
Seat Security Lock
Keyless Entry
Immobiliser + Alarm
Power Door Lock missing Vehicle Speed Autolock
Intermittent Wipers missing Variable Time Adjustment
Impact Sensing Fuel Cut
Windshield Glass missing Top Shade
Outside Rear View Mirrors are not retractable
Steel wheels with full wheel cap instead of Alloys
Wheel - presume this is the 5th wheel missing?
Outside Door Handle is Body Coloured rather than Chrome
Rear Luggage Garnish is Body Coloured rather than Chrome
Radiator Grille is Black rather than Chrome
Side Protective Moulding is Body Coloured rather than Chrome Insert
Door Belt Moulding is Black rather than Chrome Plating
In-Car Entertainment System
Audio controls & MID Switch on Steering Wheel
Wireless Audio Remote
Speakers x 4 rather than 6 (presumably tweeters missing)
Overhead Console has a Card Holder rather than Storage Box and Personal Lamps
Inside Door Handle is Interior Colour rather than Silver Finish
Seat material is basic fabric rather than high quality
Steering Wheel is 3 spoke urethrane rather than 4 spoke leather
Center Cluster & Door Armrests are silver finish rather than wood finish
Door Scuff Plate Ornament
Shift Lever & Knob are PVC rather than Leather + Silver Finish
AC is manual rather than automatic
Front Door Courtesy Lamp
Console Box missing Upper Tray
Combination Meters are Analogue rather than Optitron (3D)
Rear Seat Split Foldable (60:40)
Rear Seat Centre Armrest
Sliding Front Armrest
Vanity Mirrors (Driver + Passenger) missing lamps
Coat Hooks x 2
Subkey

Priced at 9.60 lakhs (Delhi ex) compared to G model price of 10.65 lakhs (Delhi ex).

The big question is: why is Toyota doing this??? Who will buy such a hacked down car? If a buyer is willing to spend 9.60 lakhs on a car, he will surely spend another 1 lakh to get all of the above features. I'm sure all of the above is worth far more than 1 lakh!

This really seems crazy from Toyota. If they are trying to compete with Civic E (9.90 lakhs Delhi ex) variant then I think it's pointless because the Altis G variant is already doing that fine...

SkyWalker · 25th February 2009, 16:15

Interesting catch. I guess a J makes sense considering the way E version helps Civic, but they went overboard with the cuts. They should have kept the airbags at least!

sub 10L pricing is relevant for some areas. For example Civic E is priced at 9.99L in Bangalore to avoid the 4% additional tax on 10L+ cars.

Sahil · 25th February 2009, 16:16

They don't even offer HIDs in the G model, why would it be there on the J?

vasudeva · 25th February 2009, 16:34

If this version has been launched, it was inevitable. The J version would be for commercial people, and also for people who wanted a Corolla, but were put off by the high pricing. It seems a similar strategy to the previous Corolla HE.

loving_alaap · 25th February 2009, 17:43

It is clearly launched against Civic E.

But the car is so basic, & lacks vital features that, just like Civic E, it will also not sell in good numbers.

asr245 · 25th February 2009, 19:01

This also interests the taxi segment. Personally I would have considered it if it had airbags. Alloys you can get. ACC will be missed but not something I can't live without.

sgmuser · 25th February 2009, 19:18

Seat belt without pretensioner in a 9.6 lakhs car? Its a day light robbery!!! Common on, I know Toyota is being stupidest in India. But there is a limit! Then, how is it possible to get a car without sparewheel, homologated? I heard one BMW model was refused by ARAI(?) because it was missing its sparewheel (but it had a tyre tech that can go on for another 100kms or so, even it is punctured! Correct me if iam wrong. I read this some time back... not sure exactly when and where.

How much they could earn by not doing this "Windshield Glass missing Top Shade"?

And the difference is 100k almost? I will kick their a** and will not even spend a penny on toyota!

Btw, I request you guys don't even think of buying these cars esp if they treat us like crazy. Go and buy a homegrown one like Mahindra who also gives value for your hard earned money. There is no magic in quality. I rejected Toyota after did a thorough check up about their cost of ownership and bought a scorpio (just compare a Innova's ORVM price with a Scorpios!). We need to group ourselves and teach these guys a lesson. Can they do this in any other western country? Not even in developing countries like Malaysia or Brunei!

deepanonline · 25th February 2009, 19:49

This doesnt make sense..because CIVIC E MT model is just 10.4 ex showroom & their next model is 12.05 ex showroom.. there is a huge difference in pricing..

and what you dont get in E MT is automatic side mirrors, alloys, leather seats, 6CD changer(but u get single cd changer), map lights, fog lamps etc..all others are same as VMT..

SkyWalker · 25th February 2009, 20:08

Civic E MT is 9.99L Ex. in Bangalore. Probably special pricing for Bangalore to beat the 10L+ price. At that price, it beats the Altis J silly as its much better equipped.

CBlazer · 25th February 2009, 20:11

Launching a variant under Rs 10 L made sense. But chopping off so many features makes the deal ridiculous. They have probably removed features worth 2L when compared to 1.8 G.

Toyota seems to have factored in a 50k discount that it would start doling out in a few months

oss · 25th February 2009, 21:59

Are you sure it is the J version? For all you know it could be the E version, with J version schduled to be released in the next 5-6 months at a price range of 9L

Anyways, this will put pressure on ANHC for sure as even their topend is a stripped down version anyways

bhp1 · 25th February 2009, 22:01

New City was making a dent in sales of cars like Corolla, sub 10L tag will give some respite.
Also, discounts were already abound on the new Corolla, so a stripped down version was much expected.

vinaydas · 25th February 2009, 22:09

looks like toyota will drop the idea of a diesel corolla after this launch.
are the reports confirmed?

Anthym · 25th February 2009, 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgmuser

Seat belt without pretensioner in a 9.6 lakhs car? Its a day light robbery!!! Common on, I know Toyota is being stupidest in India. But there is a limit! Then, how is it possible to get a car without sparewheel, homologated? I heard one BMW model was refused by ARAI(?) because it was missing its sparewheel (but it had a tyre tech that can go on for another 100kms or so, even it is punctured! Correct me if iam wrong. I read this some time back... not sure exactly when and where.

Sorry guys this is

You are right with the BMW story.
With BMW's run-flat tyres technology, a punctured run-flat tyre can run for 200 km at a speed of about 80kmph without the car losing stability or facing any safety risk, before it has to be replaced. This has made a spare-wheel inside its car trunks redundant. In fact BMW now designs its cars with no space for storing a spare-wheel. However Indian regulations make it mandatory for every manufacturer to provide a spare-wheel with the cars they sell in India else the vehicle would not be homologated

I doubt this claim of no fifth wheel in the J version.

SkyWalker · 26th February 2009, 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by oss

Are you sure it is the J version? For all you know it could be the E version, with J version schduled to be released in the next 5-6 months at a price range of 9L

well, what more can they remove now from this version? A front and a back tyre? Steering wheel?

25th February 2009, 15:06	#1
spyglass Newbie Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Delhi Posts: 3 Thanked: 0 Times	New Toyota Corolla Altis J model/variant Has anyone heard about the new J variant of the Altis? Specs attached. I can't find any other threads about it. The Delhi dealers are offering it since the last three days. It's a basic version, lower than the G variant. Compared to the G, it is missing the following: SRS Air Bags (Driver + Passenger) HID Headlamps with Retractable Washers Front Fog Lamps Front Seat Belt has no Pre Tensioner and Force Limiter Inner Rear View Mirror is not auto anti-glare Seat Security Lock Keyless Entry Immobiliser + Alarm Power Door Lock missing Vehicle Speed Autolock Intermittent Wipers missing Variable Time Adjustment Impact Sensing Fuel Cut Windshield Glass missing Top Shade Outside Rear View Mirrors are not retractable Steel wheels with full wheel cap instead of Alloys Wheel - presume this is the 5th wheel missing? Outside Door Handle is Body Coloured rather than Chrome Rear Luggage Garnish is Body Coloured rather than Chrome Radiator Grille is Black rather than Chrome Side Protective Moulding is Body Coloured rather than Chrome Insert Door Belt Moulding is Black rather than Chrome Plating In-Car Entertainment System Audio controls & MID Switch on Steering Wheel Wireless Audio Remote Speakers x 4 rather than 6 (presumably tweeters missing) Overhead Console has a Card Holder rather than Storage Box and Personal Lamps Inside Door Handle is Interior Colour rather than Silver Finish Seat material is basic fabric rather than high quality Steering Wheel is 3 spoke urethrane rather than 4 spoke leather Center Cluster & Door Armrests are silver finish rather than wood finish Door Scuff Plate Ornament Shift Lever & Knob are PVC rather than Leather + Silver Finish AC is manual rather than automatic Front Door Courtesy Lamp Console Box missing Upper Tray Combination Meters are Analogue rather than Optitron (3D) Rear Seat Split Foldable (60:40) Rear Seat Centre Armrest Sliding Front Armrest Vanity Mirrors (Driver + Passenger) missing lamps Coat Hooks x 2 Subkey Priced at 9.60 lakhs (Delhi ex) compared to G model price of 10.65 lakhs (Delhi ex). The big question is: why is Toyota doing this??? Who will buy such a hacked down car? If a buyer is willing to spend 9.60 lakhs on a car, he will surely spend another 1 lakh to get all of the above features. I'm sure all of the above is worth far more than 1 lakh! This really seems crazy from Toyota. If they are trying to compete with Civic E (9.90 lakhs Delhi ex) variant then I think it's pointless because the Altis G variant is already doing that fine... Attached Thumbnails
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25th February 2009, 16:15	#2
SkyWalker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,531 Thanked: 136 Times	Interesting catch. I guess a J makes sense considering the way E version helps Civic, but they went overboard with the cuts. They should have kept the airbags at least! sub 10L pricing is relevant for some areas. For example Civic E is priced at 9.99L in Bangalore to avoid the 4% additional tax on 10L+ cars.
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25th February 2009, 16:16	#3
Sahil Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 6,292 Thanked: 7,605 Times	They don't even offer HIDs in the G model, why would it be there on the J?
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25th February 2009, 16:34	#4
vasudeva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 2,221 Thanked: 212 Times	If this version has been launched, it was inevitable. The J version would be for commercial people, and also for people who wanted a Corolla, but were put off by the high pricing. It seems a similar strategy to the previous Corolla HE.
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25th February 2009, 17:43	#5
loving_alaap BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 808 Thanked: 9 Times	It is clearly launched against Civic E. But the car is so basic, & lacks vital features that, just like Civic E, it will also not sell in good numbers.
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25th February 2009, 19:01	#6
asr245 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 1,162 Thanked: 389 Times	This also interests the taxi segment. Personally I would have considered it if it had airbags. Alloys you can get. ACC will be missed but not something I can't live without.
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25th February 2009, 19:18	#7
sgmuser BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 752 Thanked: 1,121 Times View My Garage	Seat belt without pretensioner in a 9.6 lakhs car? Its a day light robbery!!! Common on, I know Toyota is being stupidest in India. But there is a limit! Then, how is it possible to get a car without sparewheel, homologated? I heard one BMW model was refused by ARAI(?) because it was missing its sparewheel (but it had a tyre tech that can go on for another 100kms or so, even it is punctured! Correct me if iam wrong. I read this some time back... not sure exactly when and where. How much they could earn by not doing this "Windshield Glass missing Top Shade"? And the difference is 100k almost? I will kick their a** and will not even spend a penny on toyota! Btw, I request you guys don't even think of buying these cars esp if they treat us like crazy. Go and buy a homegrown one like Mahindra who also gives value for your hard earned money. There is no magic in quality. I rejected Toyota after did a thorough check up about their cost of ownership and bought a scorpio (just compare a Innova's ORVM price with a Scorpios!). We need to group ourselves and teach these guys a lesson. Can they do this in any other western country? Not even in developing countries like Malaysia or Brunei! Last edited by sgmuser : 25th February 2009 at 19:24. Reason: typo
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25th February 2009, 19:49	#8
deepanonline BHPian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: chennai Posts: 154 Thanked: 9 Times	This doesnt make sense..because CIVIC E MT model is just 10.4 ex showroom & their next model is 12.05 ex showroom.. there is a huge difference in pricing.. and what you dont get in E MT is automatic side mirrors, alloys, leather seats, 6CD changer(but u get single cd changer), map lights, fog lamps etc..all others are same as VMT..
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25th February 2009, 20:08	#9
SkyWalker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,531 Thanked: 136 Times	Civic E MT is 9.99L Ex. in Bangalore. Probably special pricing for Bangalore to beat the 10L+ price. At that price, it beats the Altis J silly as its much better equipped.
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25th February 2009, 20:11	#10
CBlazer BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 596 Thanked: 17 Times	Launching a variant under Rs 10 L made sense. But chopping off so many features makes the deal ridiculous. They have probably removed features worth 2L when compared to 1.8 G. Toyota seems to have factored in a 50k discount that it would start doling out in a few months
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25th February 2009, 21:59	#11
oss BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 683 Thanked: 6 Times	Are you sure it is the J version? For all you know it could be the E version, with J version schduled to be released in the next 5-6 months at a price range of 9L Anyways, this will put pressure on ANHC for sure as even their topend is a stripped down version anyways
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25th February 2009, 22:01	#12
bhp1 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NA Posts: 513 Thanked: 4 Times	New City was making a dent in sales of cars like Corolla, sub 10L tag will give some respite. Also, discounts were already abound on the new Corolla, so a stripped down version was much expected.
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25th February 2009, 22:09	#13
vinaydas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 1,399 Thanked: 148 Times	looks like toyota will drop the idea of a diesel corolla after this launch. are the reports confirmed?
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