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12th July 2009, 11:34 | #31 |
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| People are free to buy any product based on what their priorities are. Let me add, however, that Fiat ownership is often made out to be much worse than it can really be. Having a Fiat and a Maruti in the family, let me tell you that I find Maruti service grossly over-rated, atleast in Delhi. A lot of people agree with this and have bought a Maruti only because of the extent of its service network and not its quality. Flame me if you wish, but I stand by this statement. And I am quite sick of a premium dealer like Motorcraft ignoring small issues in my car despite my noting them on the job card. Not to mention that I always get my Fiat back from service much faster than my Maruti, thanks to the crowds. Let me also add that both the Fiat and the Maruti had the boot lock replaced under warranty. The Fiat boot lock was just rattling. The Maruti boot lock failed to such an extent that my sister drove for two days with the hatch tied by rope. Motorcraft took two days because it did not have the boot lock spare for their hottest selling hatch, the Alto. Fiat network is growing and I can see Lineas standing in showrooms in smaller cities like Roorkee for example. Look, you don't build a service network or service expertise overnight. It grows over time. Maruti has taken 25 years to have this network. I am not defending any of the truths that have been spoken before. And I criticise Fiat where its due, just read my product review. Since everybody is voicing their predictions based on their friends' or their own experiences, I thought that I should add mine. |
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Regarding average customer putting in faith.. Lets see, if they manage sales of 2-3k fiat cars per month (last month sales at 2.5k cars)i will think they are successful. For a brand like Fiat in India which sold 300-400 cars in June 08 and now 2.5 k cars in June 09 they must have done something to attract Indian customers towards themselvers. Good words, improved service, something for sure. Last edited by coolboy007 : 12th July 2009 at 11:48. | |||||
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12th July 2009, 11:55 | #34 |
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| Right said, FIAT buying decisions are based on heart not head! I had bad ownership experience with Palio-D! While most part this is very good/reliabile car, can have quality issues! And when you have quality issue only God can save the customer! |
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12th July 2009, 12:00 | #35 | |
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amit makes a valid point on competitive pressures in the Indian market and it makes sense to a CERTAIN extent. yes the Hyundais and others might probably keep the Punto in mind while pricing BUT NOT TO A GREAT EXTENT as is CLEARLY visible from the ACTUAL PRICES. the thing is, once you commit mistakes at regular intervals, you are viewed in a different light and people look at you with a lot of cynisism and suspicion. thats is what makes the average customer SET HIGH STANDARDS for a FIAT car rather than a HONDA/HYUNDAI/MARUTI this need not make FIAT lovers feel defensive. its a common occurence with any product. i too wish FIAT does well in order that the competiveness in the market is maintained but THERE IS STILL A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE A MARUTI/HONDA/HYUNDAI consider a FIAT MODEL BEOFRE PRICING THEIR CARS Last edited by narayan : 12th July 2009 at 12:11. | |
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12th July 2009, 12:05 | #36 | |
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2) Not fail, but warning Fiat that things can go wrong. 3) Why not! SX4 can cruise all day long at 140-150 without problem. Linea 1.4 would take eternity to reach those speeds as compared to SX4. Its weak motor as compared to SX4 ( after a 150 km drive in SX4 I am speaking this ). The japanese units almost never feel underpowered, but Linea does. I am the one to drive cars at high speeds so I can tell that after 140 Linea 1.4 response is not as good as SX4. Dont jump on this with 1.4 vs 1.6. I was just comparing that Linea could have been better. Ritz motor is too free revving. TDed this car when I was in service for Baleno. Linea 1.4 can just dream of this feeling. Diesel engine, I will come on that later. 4) Not the general thing I have heard. Yes its true for you but I am yet to come across such issues for SX4. Driveshaft replacement was one thing that I knew but not other parts. 5) Diesel engine. Swift feels faster and is more fun to drive pleasure giving machine than Linea. I love that feeling, but may be its my personal opinion. Take the car on highway for high speed motoring and then overtaking in critical situations. One realizes why that whoosh is important on highways. But again this might be personal preference, but what about engine noise ? Swift is more silent, why ? 6 and 9) Real commitment is getting out of that tata jv for sales and service and starting themselves over with their own network. 7 and 9) Commitment. Fiat SDE can come in from a small Japanese manufacturer before Fiat. I dont call this commitment. Why could Fiat not bring in this mill earlier for Punto. Its lack of commitment. If suzuki will not launch a car for 4 years after its international launch, we say they are tyring to sell obsolete cars and cheat us. When fiat launches a car after 4 years fter its international launch, we say commitment. Thats the difference of opinions. Diesel mill delay ( still no sign of 1.6 petrol or diesel ) and delay in this launch prove something else to me. | |
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12th July 2009, 13:42 | #40 |
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| My reason for posting this thread was to share my experiences with Fiat and their history in India for the benefit of forum members, for them to then draw their own conclusions and make better decisions, hopefully. I can see that I have also relit the fire under what seem to be ongoing passions for and against the brand, and that was not quite my intention. Perhaps it might be good to back off a bit remembering that at the end of the day, it is just a car made of steel and glass. And no matter what all of us may love to believe, it does not have a soul. That privilege is accorded to only animate beings! It is so easy to get one's ego invested into one's belongings and then react to any criticisms of these as being personal attacks. I am sure that no one intends them to be that way. |
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12th July 2009, 13:46 | #41 |
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| I am a new Fiat owner and also a maruti owner. Here are some FIAT-MYTHS that the some people seem hellbent on propagating. Let me bust them. 1) TATA sales are giving step-mother treatment to Fiat cars TATA-Fiat are in a 50-50 JV. That means TATA cannot shoot itself in their foot by not selling Fiat cars. I went for Linea TD in 2 dealerships and asked this question: they said ... "both are our cars, the customer buys any car we are happy. Are we stupid to turn away a potential Fiat/TATA customer by offerng the other one?" 2) Fiat = bad A$$, lack of spares etc Now to all the uncles here who were unos/palios probably remember that they were treated badly by the "Fiat dealers", lack of spares etc. They must have spread the word to avoid Fiat at all costs. Here's some flash news to you. Fiat is now manufacturing out of India at pune! That means cheap and readily-available spares. And all those bad fiat dealers are now gone for good. Fiat has the backing of the huge India-wide TATA dealer & service network. 3) Fiat is not giving powerful engines When they gave powerful engines, people compared with the silly wagonR and etc and went with them cheaper cars. Fiat have learnt a good lesson. better stick to normal engines, thats where the market is. Also a Very good strategy from Fiat for pricing good cars well below the competition. 4) TATA service is bad. I own a maruti and I am really amused to see the songs of high praise for "maruti service". Thats a bunch of BS. They are no better than the TATA guys. I feel all the Indian service techs are the same. They all lack professional expertise. 5) Fiat is giving bad interiors So what is "good" interior? Something that the other manufacturer is giving and charging 1lakh more? Good for you, you have that kind of money to throw on interiors, then. For us mortals, Fiat is doing good enough and its giving all features also at much cheaper prices than competition. 6) Fiat is not treating customers well They are listening to every single complaint/niggles and sending their people to resolve these. What else do you want? I am a happy Fiat customer. They are giving good VFM products and thats a good thing for the Indian market. Please donot support over-priced strategies of makers like Hyundai/Honda. |
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Reason why TSI, FSI, TJet feel free revving is because they produce more power/torque than their naturally aspirated siblings, and hence, pull the weight much more effortlessly. Last edited by RX135 : 12th July 2009 at 13:49. | |
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But I have not experienced Maruti Suzuki service to be better than Tata. My experience with Anuroop has been the best and the Anuroop team is in Fortune Motors, Powai. So should I say that Tata-Fiat service is better than that of Maruti. I think *** can be generalized to an extent but the generalization has to be in context. Quote:
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12th July 2009, 14:04 | #44 |
Senior - BHPian | I don't understand the intention of this thread? It looks like thread-starter is giving his justification for buying a i20! Congrats mate! Enjoy your car! But, why this long frowning story on Fiat and its cars? BTW, Fiat launched Palio in 2001 which is not long ago and majority of us here are already aware of the happenings since then! The present state of affairs of Fiat India is far far better than what it was in 2001! Fiat India now has a Indian CEO, with a vast experience of Indian automobile industry and who knows the pulse of Indian car buying public! Secondly, the grand tie-up with Tata for Sales & Service! IMHO they are doing a good job except for few instances. Thirdly, the huge investments Fiat made into Indian market & the range of fantastic cars available from Fiat stable! That shows their long term commitment to Indian market! I need not add anything more! Last edited by finneyp : 12th July 2009 at 14:08. |
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12th July 2009, 14:26 | #45 |
BHPian | I think this is just another Fiat Vs other cars thread as usual. You just mention the word Fiat and you have hundreds of fans pouncing on the thread. No matter how many people blow out and say 1+1 is 11, it wont be the truth. 1+1 is always and will always be 2. The same is the case with Fiat. People may just burst out saying Fiat is improving and doing things better, but the reality is different. Just selling 3000 cars out of a Lakh cars sold in a month despite being in India for the last 9 years tells the story. GP and Linea are good cars, but not the ones which one can buy with peace of mind atleast in India. Current owners will definitely resist this statement, but sorry folks this is the truth. An average Indian is one who buys with his head more than the heart, because it is the hard earned money one is shelling out. It is difficult to convince such people on Fiat. Changing perceptions is not easy. It is important for a company to get their stretgy right and I am not sure if Fiat has got this act right yet. They need to learn a lot from Maruti and Hyundai. They need to first be sure if they are catering to the mass segment or to a niche. If it is mass then Fuel efficiency and A** are extremely important. In an effort to meet these, GP has got really underperforming engines. Unlike Japanese cars which are light weight, Fiat is built like a Tank and obviously laws of Physics aint aiding fuel efficiency. So I feel therefore they still haven't got their act right I just hope that they think and act right and atleast touch 5% market share. This will definitely benefit an average Indian like me as better competition is ultimately going to benefit the end consumers. |
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