Alto CNG + Swift petrol and Zen to get k-series engine soon

highsteem · 3rd August 2009, 12:13

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Originally Posted by gpa

Apologies for going OT, but I'm curious to know why you say that products like the A-Star and Ritz are reactive products. gpa

gpa, it is my personal opinion and is not based on any facts. Maruti has M800/Alto/Wagon-R to take care of the competition (spark/santro/indica). However when Hyundai launched i10, it was a good product and Maruti did not have a true competitor in its stable. And hence I think they are addressing this by launching a-star and ritz. Among these at least a-star looks like has some R&D gone into it but ritz look like a stop-gap arrangement to me

Again ... this is of topic and I am sorry!

jaaz · 16th August 2009, 13:21

Ritz is available in International Markets as Opel and Vaxhaul are using the same Vehicle for the last 2-3 years.

sumeethaldankar · 23rd August 2009, 21:07

Hi guys,
Does anybody has a clue whether when the swift with new k series engine will be introduced in India ?Arent the new series engines suppose to be compliant for 2010 emission norms.Thats just 4 months away,wonder if it will be available by Diwali.

vijaythacker · 24th August 2009, 11:36

going throught all these threads, i wonder would that be possible that maruti continues to make its current 1.3L engine detuning it to new norms applicable and not come up with its new kb engine which does offers on Astar and ritz.

Su-47 · 31st August 2009, 12:04

I testdrove the Ritz petrol for no particular reason and liked the driveability (much better than the Swift 1.3 that I'd driven a while back).

The sales exec called back for a follow-up and I asked him about the K-series engine and he said "Swift has a sporty image, which Maruti wouldn't want to hurt by putting the 1.2L engine". What do the learned gentlemen on this forum have to say about this?

In a way, I'm dreaming that whatever he says goes into the heads of folks at product planning division of Maruti and they put the 1.6L engine into it (atleast an option), increase the price a little bit (lets say 25 -30K) and I see the petrolheads salivating. But like they say if wishes were horses...

Cheers,
Su-47

EDIT: OT, was chatting up with a colleague who booked Ritz Zxi about a month back and was promised delivery in three months time. His sales rep called and told him that the delivery may get delayed by about 3 months (in addition to the originally projected 3-months). Is the Ritz-petrol such a big hit?

romeomidhun · 31st August 2009, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Su-47

The sales exec called back for a follow-up and I asked him about the K-series engine and he said "Swift has a sporty image, which Maruti wouldn't want to hurt by putting the 1.2L engine". What do the learned gentlemen on this forum have to say about this?

In a way, I'm dreaming that whatever he says goes into the heads of folks at product planning division of Maruti and they put the 1.6L engine into it (atleast an option), increase the price a little bit (lets say 25 -30K) and I see the petrolheads salivating. But like they say if wishes were horses...

Though the 1.2L K-series engine in Ritz is superb, it may not be a good option in Swift. May be, a VVT version of this 1.2L engine will do the job for Swift!

geeash · 31st August 2009, 17:33

Rather than doing all these gimmics, it would be better of if they launch reloaded version of SX4 and its diesel version too. It has been pending for a long time.

avishar · 31st August 2009, 18:45

Well wont really call them gimmicks because of the tighter emmision rules maruti must replace these engines,and it is doing a commendable job.Yes the SX4 is long overdue, but i guess maybe due capacity constraints at marutis diesel plant.

aaggoswami · 31st August 2009, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Su-47

EDIT: OT, was chatting up with a colleague who booked Ritz Zxi about a month back and was promised delivery in three months time. His sales rep called and told him that the delivery may get delayed by about 3 months (in addition to the originally projected 3-months). Is the Ritz-petrol such a big hit?

It is reported that around 70% of Ritz sales are from petrol version. I think even Maruti will be plesantly surprised as people are still buying petrol version. Swift is a different story with diesel getting more than 70% of Swift sales, but Ritz petrol is in good demand.

NeedaUsername · 31st August 2009, 19:39

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Originally Posted by aaggoswami

It is reported that around 70% of Ritz sales are from petrol version. I think even Maruti will be plesantly surprised as people are still buying petrol version. Swift is a different story with diesel getting more than 70% of Swift sales, but Ritz petrol is in good demand.

Thats because SwiftD costs only 3k more than the RitzD. Hence, people who were in the market for the Ritz Vdi would rather opt to go for the Swift Vdi.

jaaz · 31st August 2009, 19:54

One more reason, Ritz P is selling more is because of its claimed Fuel Efficiency. Whereas Swift P's FE is comparitively less for a Hatchback. Many users have claimed the FE of Swift P to be in the range of 10-11 kms. in City conditions.

Would like to know what is the actual FE from the users?

gpa · 1st September 2009, 12:16

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Originally Posted by jaaz

Many users have claimed the FE of Swift P to be in the range of 10-11 kms. in City conditions. Would like to know what is the actual FE from the users?

The Swift (P) delivers a FE of ~11-13 kmpl in the city with the a/c used sparingly.

geeash · 1st September 2009, 13:30

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It is reported that around 70% of Ritz sales are from petrol version.

that is because they have stopped selling swift ever since the launch of ritz on the pretext of getting a new engine

sidindica · 1st September 2009, 13:43

For the new Wagon R, twist in the rumour mill says that there won't be any new model but again a slight refresh with the aging F10D engine being tweaked to meet BS 4 norms.

Su-47 · 1st September 2009, 14:31

Hey sidindica, Any *insider* info on when the swift will roll out with the K-series? And, what capacity?

16th August 2009, 13:21	#47
jaaz BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 661 Thanked: 636 Times	Ritz is not a Stop gap launch Ritz is available in International Markets as Opel and Vaxhaul are using the same Vehicle for the last 2-3 years.
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23rd August 2009, 21:07	#48
sumeethaldankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 3,931 Thanked: 3,308 Times View My Garage	Swift with new engine,when it is expected? Hi guys, Does anybody has a clue whether when the swift with new k series engine will be introduced in India ?Arent the new series engines suppose to be compliant for 2010 emission norms.Thats just 4 months away,wonder if it will be available by Diwali.
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24th August 2009, 11:36	#49
vijaythacker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 1,498 Thanked: 74 Times View My Garage	going throught all these threads, i wonder would that be possible that maruti continues to make its current 1.3L engine detuning it to new norms applicable and not come up with its new kb engine which does offers on Astar and ritz.
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31st August 2009, 12:04	#50
Su-47 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 692 Thanked: 327 Times	I testdrove the Ritz petrol for no particular reason and liked the driveability (much better than the Swift 1.3 that I'd driven a while back). The sales exec called back for a follow-up and I asked him about the K-series engine and he said "Swift has a sporty image, which Maruti wouldn't want to hurt by putting the 1.2L engine". What do the learned gentlemen on this forum have to say about this? In a way, I'm dreaming that whatever he says goes into the heads of folks at product planning division of Maruti and they put the 1.6L engine into it (atleast an option), increase the price a little bit (lets say 25 -30K) and I see the petrolheads salivating. But like they say if wishes were horses... Cheers, Su-47 EDIT: OT, was chatting up with a colleague who booked Ritz Zxi about a month back and was promised delivery in three months time. His sales rep called and told him that the delivery may get delayed by about 3 months (in addition to the originally projected 3-months). Is the Ritz-petrol such a big hit? Last edited by Su-47 : 31st August 2009 at 12:11.
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31st August 2009, 17:33	#52
geeash Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,513 Thanked: 145 Times	Rather than doing all these gimmics, it would be better of if they launch reloaded version of SX4 and its diesel version too. It has been pending for a long time.
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31st August 2009, 18:45	#53
avishar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: kolkata/bangalore,india Posts: 2,901 Thanked: 4,142 Times	Well wont really call them gimmicks because of the tighter emmision rules maruti must replace these engines,and it is doing a commendable job.Yes the SX4 is long overdue, but i guess maybe due capacity constraints at marutis diesel plant.
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31st August 2009, 19:54	#56
jaaz BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 661 Thanked: 636 Times	One more reason, Ritz P is selling more is because of its claimed Fuel Efficiency. Whereas Swift P's FE is comparitively less for a Hatchback. Many users have claimed the FE of Swift P to be in the range of 10-11 kms. in City conditions. Would like to know what is the actual FE from the users?
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1st September 2009, 13:43	#59
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,890 Thanked: 8,101 Times	For the new Wagon R, twist in the rumour mill says that there won't be any new model but again a slight refresh with the aging F10D engine being tweaked to meet BS 4 norms.
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1st September 2009, 14:31	#60
Su-47 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 692 Thanked: 327 Times	Hey sidindica, Any insider info on when the swift will roll out with the K-series? And, what capacity?
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