Why is the Indica Vista not outselling the Swift diesel?

greenhorn · 10th August 2009, 21:50

to the OP. Have you ever experienced what goes on inside the average tata showroom or service center? If you have, the answer to this question would become fairly self evident!

Gilead · 10th August 2009, 22:00

Greenhorn, you can't leave us hanging us like that. Please let us know what happens inside the average tata showroom or service center. :-)

AbhiJ · 10th August 2009, 22:04

Why not TATA?

My brother bought a Vista QJ alomst 2 months back. He is yet to recieve the owner's manual - Apparently its out of print!

He had to literally fight the dealer to get the first service done? Why? Since he did not have the owners manual - which has the free service coupons!

greenhorn · 10th August 2009, 22:09

@ Gilead, Read the test drive and ownership reviews of tata vehicles here on team bhp

vista_qjd · 10th August 2009, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by naj

All the vista needs is a safety kit (read ABS and Air bags).
The Vista has otherwise all the ingredients to make it a good car.
I feel that once it gets the safety Features many people will buy it including me.

@Naj - How many people in India drive cars which have ABS and Airbags. I bet maybe about 5% of cars on road may have these options. And swift diesel doesnt come with an airbag as well. Its all optional which pushes the price close to a decent size sedan.
I wonder what car you drive and whether it has these features.

royalcruiser · 10th August 2009, 23:44

hmm, the after sales of tatas' has never really been up to mark - many a times it even scares me when i see the mechanics get behind the wheels of my car and drive it so crazily inside the service centre!
but, talking of the Vista, this is a car that is miles ahead of the older generation Indica, especially with the MJD under its hood. I own an Indica and when I TD the Vista, I was completely taken aback by the refinement and also the interiors.
Swift is more of a performance car, whereas, the Vista scores over comfort and excellent driveablilty.
I can only hope that Tata comes out with a facelifted Vista, removes the Indica badge and corrects faults reported by customers since launch (which is what happened with the Indica years ago!)

Eddy · 10th August 2009, 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbhiJ

Why not TATA?

My brother bought a Vista QJ alomst 2 months back. He is yet to recieve the owner's manual - Apparently its out of print!

He had to literally fight the dealer to get the first service done? Why? Since he did not have the owners manual - which has the free service coupons!

Are you serious ?

This is hilarious now when I read it, but it sure must have been

for your cousin.

Greenhorn: I completely agree !

greenhorn · 10th August 2009, 23:51

its not so rare. I think its vivek.singh.73 who had to run around from TASC to TASC because for some reason, his vehicle did not show up in their CRM...

Eddy · 10th August 2009, 23:56

I went to collect my cousins Safari from a routine service. That was the day I decided I was not going to buy a Tata vehicle in the near future !

VBV · 11th August 2009, 03:55

Ride quality is very subjective IMHO.

the VTEC guy · 11th August 2009, 06:14

I see few reasons being -
1. Few people want to be associated with Indica (taxi image)
2. Maruti got engine as well as the car around it right. Tata needs to get the car around the engine in much better shape

Fountainheader · 11th August 2009, 08:30

Lets not turn this into a Tata vs MSIL battle. Instead lets put forth valid points.

Around this time last year, when the Vista was launched, I had posted that looking at the specs and the pricing, neither the Petrol nor the Diesel Swift will feel any heat. A couple of fanboys blasted me trying to justify that the Vista Diesel has height adjustable seats, blah blah blah.

All said and done, the DDiS sells for 2 reasons

1: Mileage-crazy Indians : After all FE is what sells. And the Swift has had the 1st mover advantage here. Add to all the hype and hoopla of waiting times and all, and people were convinced that this is the car for the future.

2: Performance-crazy enthusiasts : People who buy it for the turbo surge, dream about Petes tuning box, tarox brakes and what not

Plus the Swift is a highly-customizable car. One of the reasons I bought the car was I wanted to fit the Angel Eyes, 15" Lensos and all

Bazius · 11th August 2009, 08:43

My wife and I were thinking of buying a hatchback among other options I went into Tata Showroom to actually look at the Xenon and saw the Vista; it looks much better (My opinion) and is a better VFM proposition. I was really admiring the vehicle when my wife walks by and says "What are you looking at a taxi for?". Not many want to be the "cabbie"

vinaydas · 11th August 2009, 08:52

as mentioned by others swift is highly modifiable.Unlike the indica well i wouldnt want to be seen in a "modified" indica.
Plus people dont trust tata cars compared to the HUGE fan base of msil.
swift is better looking also.

amit27 · 11th August 2009, 09:49

Well put simply Vista is not selling because it is too much like old Indica . I do not think service is an issue as I have an Idica for about 2 + years and have not faced any issue regards service it is simple to repair and once you exhaust the service coupons there is a "mistry " after every 1 km who can repair before you blink .
Since my requirement is for a driven car and not a driver's car I found it to be much superior to Punto . If only Tata could just spice up the interiors a bit & give ABS .

10th August 2009, 21:50	#31
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,397 Times View My Garage	to the OP. Have you ever experienced what goes on inside the average tata showroom or service center? If you have, the answer to this question would become fairly self evident!
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10th August 2009, 22:00	#32
Gilead Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 2,142 Thanked: 60 Times	Greenhorn, you can't leave us hanging us like that. Please let us know what happens inside the average tata showroom or service center. :-)
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10th August 2009, 22:04	#33
AbhiJ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 1,476 Thanked: 1,207 Times	Why not TATA? My brother bought a Vista QJ alomst 2 months back. He is yet to recieve the owner's manual - Apparently its out of print! He had to literally fight the dealer to get the first service done? Why? Since he did not have the owners manual - which has the free service coupons!
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10th August 2009, 22:09	#34
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,397 Times View My Garage	@ Gilead, Read the test drive and ownership reviews of tata vehicles here on team bhp
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10th August 2009, 23:44	#36
royalcruiser BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 228 Thanked: 54 Times	hmm, the after sales of tatas' has never really been up to mark - many a times it even scares me when i see the mechanics get behind the wheels of my car and drive it so crazily inside the service centre! but, talking of the Vista, this is a car that is miles ahead of the older generation Indica, especially with the MJD under its hood. I own an Indica and when I TD the Vista, I was completely taken aback by the refinement and also the interiors. Swift is more of a performance car, whereas, the Vista scores over comfort and excellent driveablilty. I can only hope that Tata comes out with a facelifted Vista, removes the Indica badge and corrects faults reported by customers since launch (which is what happened with the Indica years ago!)
	() Thanks

10th August 2009, 23:51	#38
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,397 Times View My Garage	its not so rare. I think its vivek.singh.73 who had to run around from TASC to TASC because for some reason, his vehicle did not show up in their CRM...
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10th August 2009, 23:56	#39
Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 9,387 Thanked: 13,301 Times	I went to collect my cousins Safari from a routine service. That was the day I decided I was not going to buy a Tata vehicle in the near future !
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11th August 2009, 03:55	#40
VBV BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 227 Thanked: 6 Times	Ride quality is very subjective IMHO.
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11th August 2009, 06:14	#41
the VTEC guy BHPian Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 564 Thanked: 140 Times View My Garage	I see few reasons being - 1. Few people want to be associated with Indica (taxi image) 2. Maruti got engine as well as the car around it right. Tata needs to get the car around the engine in much better shape
	() Thanks

11th August 2009, 08:30	#42
Fountainheader Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 1,501 Thanked: 13 Times View My Garage	Lets not turn this into a Tata vs MSIL battle. Instead lets put forth valid points. Around this time last year, when the Vista was launched, I had posted that looking at the specs and the pricing, neither the Petrol nor the Diesel Swift will feel any heat. A couple of fanboys blasted me trying to justify that the Vista Diesel has height adjustable seats, blah blah blah. All said and done, the DDiS sells for 2 reasons 1: Mileage-crazy Indians : After all FE is what sells. And the Swift has had the 1st mover advantage here. Add to all the hype and hoopla of waiting times and all, and people were convinced that this is the car for the future. 2: Performance-crazy enthusiasts : People who buy it for the turbo surge, dream about Petes tuning box, tarox brakes and what not Plus the Swift is a highly-customizable car. One of the reasons I bought the car was I wanted to fit the Angel Eyes, 15" Lensos and all
	() Thanks

11th August 2009, 08:43	#43
Bazius BHPian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Thithimathi, Coorg Posts: 68 Thanked: Once View My Garage	My wife and I were thinking of buying a hatchback among other options I went into Tata Showroom to actually look at the Xenon and saw the Vista; it looks much better (My opinion) and is a better VFM proposition. I was really admiring the vehicle when my wife walks by and says "What are you looking at a taxi for?". Not many want to be the "cabbie"
	() Thanks

11th August 2009, 08:52	#44
vinaydas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 1,399 Thanked: 148 Times	as mentioned by others swift is highly modifiable.Unlike the indica well i wouldnt want to be seen in a "modified" indica. Plus people dont trust tata cars compared to the HUGE fan base of msil. swift is better looking also.
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11th August 2009, 09:49	#45
amit27 BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Guragaon Posts: 173 Thanked: 0 Times	Well put simply Vista is not selling because it is too much like old Indica . I do not think service is an issue as I have an Idica for about 2 + years and have not faced any issue regards service it is simple to repair and once you exhaust the service coupons there is a "mistry " after every 1 km who can repair before you blink . Since my requirement is for a driven car and not a driver's car I found it to be much superior to Punto . If only Tata could just spice up the interiors a bit & give ABS .
	() Thanks