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Originally Posted by v1p3r Actually I keep hearing people say it outhandles all of them. What would you like me to compare it to? |
Optra, RS, Accord, something that weighs similarly?
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So now you say the Magnum is a bad handler. Any proof?
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No man! I have just driven the car to Mysore and back once as my aunt's driver didn't turn up.
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And how does being a fast car on the highway translate to being a good handler?
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For me a good handling car is one that doesn't do any drama when I push it through a corner at good speeds, one that doesn't need me to slow down my speeds considerably to feel safe. Since you have always loved taking a car sideways, I think our definitions of a handler are much different.
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A W126 or W140 S Class will annihilate any of our cars on the highway. Does that mean it's a great handler.
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I have seen some of these being left to dust by 1.9Tdi's and what not from Bangalore-Goa via Shimoga, but that's only because of the nature of roads (two laned, really twisty sections). On GQ's the S has no match though. Come twisty sections, I have seen the S' slow down a lot. I don't get the point man. First and foremost, I asked Shan to see my Baleno & Siddu's RS video to see if the Elantra handled like a boat. IIRC all three cars nearly put out the same power (10-15bhp give or take) and all three cars were sticking together without dropping pace. I am sure you will say my baleno handled pretty decently. If a car behind was able to stay right behind with AC on while I assume it is half as good a handler as my baleno. Given the dimensions, the weight of the engine, I would take that anyday. But you are comparing it to the S which is twice as powerful.
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You just said Tadu has had his suspension replaced.
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IIRC, that was at 90k, which is quite amazing given how we all drive. That car takes a lot of load given that it does a lot of frequent trips to Pala where you will get some of the best ghats in South India. Have you taken that into consideration?
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IIRC he has also had his clutch replaced twice
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That is mainly because of his driving style. Though I can vouch no one has destroyed more clutches than you have
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and his gearbox housing replace atleast once, if not more.
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I doubt that. He replaced a sump guard after cracking it on hitting a speed bump.
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Actually the Baleno went through much more abuse than the Santro, even on bad roads. But it came out better. I therefore infer it is a better built car.
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Oh! You have always told me about how badly you used to abuse the Santro and I have hardly ever seen you getting the Baleno out since your mom used to use the car or have heard you anytime saying you abused the Baleno on bad roads. My bad.
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Rahul! You say the Elantra is a great car, period. Not vis-a-vis other diesels. In that context, why be fixated on petrols?
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Akshay, kindly read that thread once again properly. My requirements back then were for a 200 bhp (atleast) car. No diesel car in my budget could have churned out that much.
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I remember JD also had higher compression, a cam, and an exhaust. I may be wrong about those things though.
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IIRC, the engine was bone stock except for a filter. I remember JD saying something on the lines that he was going to mod the engine and convert it to rear engined Getz with a roll cage.
Wow, I had no idea! Can you post some links please?
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Which, in the end is why people don't buy Hyundais as much, maybe.
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Akshay, almost every manufac has dished out quite a few lemons. I have had friends/relatives with lemon maruti's, fiat's, Skoda's, ford's and what not. So lets not generalize.
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Originally Posted by kpzen Do you read before posting or just start typing from the word "GO".???
I had clearly stated 3 things why its not a fair comparo :
1. 35 Bhp / 50Nm ( in stock form )
2. 200cc difference
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Kp, kindly take some time to read my posts before jumping to conclusions man. The 3 states of tune I described was to Shan's post about "ON TRACK" testing.
1. Stock Getz v/s a Pete'd swift plus given its better handling narrows down the 35bhp gap to 15bhp. Swifts better handling compensates for the 15bhp less it has, which IMO is quite fair. Other two comparo's were just to try out different P&C's and see the difference.
2. Like I mentioned earlier, no two cars come with the same CC. So don't get too worked about it, because if you do no two cars can be ever compared "fairly".
3. IIRC, given the limited knowledge that I have VGT's forte is mainly the low end torque with very little turbo lag. On track, unless you are at the start line the cars never drop below 2,500 rpm at any point. So unless you are telling me that a VGT is much much faster/better (like around 20-30% difference in flow) than a FGT from 2,500-4500 rpm I don't see how its such a big disadvantage that it can annihilate a FGT car.
No KP. Truth is I get paid by Hyundai. Even the track owners pay me to promote more track days. Happy? I am told Yoko pays you too? Is it true
? I know for sure there is someone on this forum who is in touch with close quarters from the Yoko admins and keeps sending them links like in Tadu's S.drive case.
Truth is, I am just honestly appreciating some good cars I have had a chance to drive. If you don't like them kindly stop fretting and find yourselves a better thread to post on than come here, post repeatedly and have an argument. Will save us both from having to reply.