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Originally Posted by v1p3r Which is why your comment below strikes me as being hollow, or atleast uninformed. |
Akshay, take time to read my post. I have clearly mentioned the Santro was faster than the Zen. That in itself is a compliment to the engine. The Santro petrol engine was one of the better engines Hyundai dished out. If only they hadn't made it a tall boy.
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I was impressed by the stability at high speeds on the then-new Hebbal flyover's sweeping curves, but the 1.3 engine was a dead duck.
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The first gen Getz's were good handlers. I wonder why Hyundai screwed up the suspension for the Crdi.
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They handle badly. Remember the Accent? Flat out into a corner, flick the car left, in preparation for a right, but the damn thing just kept ploughing straight. I have never been so terrified in my life.
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Yes! I remember that drive in my aunt's accent. Personally, the accents steering was one of the most non-responsive steerings I have ever driven. But for a common man, I don't think they are that discerning lot like us.
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And you can keep going on about an Elantra -- but I'm sorry, any car with a long nose that has a large cast iron block in the front and is very nose-heavy isn't a good handler. Or our definitions of handling vary hugely.
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To someone who drives an RS that runs on rods I don't think you understand the need to be able to use the same car on our highways too. I have personally had a stiffened suspension on the Baleno, its a pain to drive on bad roads. Its scary, because you feel the strut is going to make its way out of the bonnet, everytime you hit a pothole and it makes a ear deafening sound. I think I have driven the car enough on the highways at good speeds and done a few quick laps on track to say its handles well. But then again, I wonder what you are comparing it to? Baleno? Lancer? OHC? RS? That would be just foolish. When I say it handles well, its probably the best handler in that class of diesel cars for the speeds it can manage. On a highway its pretty tough for an RS to leave a Pete'd Elantra behind. The Tdi, Magnum don't stand a chance when it comes to handling, one doesn't move, the other is far from being a good handler.
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Korean horses are underfed? Sure looks like it.
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For sure when it comes to the petrols. But their strong hold is the diesels. How many petrol Verna's have you seen around? I know two people who own one and I was confused asto why would anyone buy a Verna P and not the Crdi. The common answer was, diesels are too noisy. IMO, its not like the Amby days anymore, yet people don't see how the diesels have come off age.
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How would you like to do that to your Getz, having bought it because it was a bargain?
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I have a few friends who have a Getz P and they haven't had any issues even after clocking 80k kms. I have seen Tadu's elantra clock 1.2L and its not had issues. By that logic, swift has had multiple clutch failure stories. Does that mean every Maruti has bad clutches? No!
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My Santro certainly did have niggles after 65k kms, things that shouldn't have happened, and didn't on my Baleno.
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You know as much as I do, how badly you have abused the Santro. Baleno has had its share of track days, but thats on well tarmacked roads and not non-existent ones the Santro had to go through.
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They look odd. The Elantra
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I find this weird coming from someone who owned a not so good looking car, one that grew on you with each passing day, the Baleno. Honestly, I have started to like the Elantra looks, similar to how the Baleno looks start to grow on you.
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you could have bought a Getz CRDi when you bought the Swift, but you didn't.
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Dude! I always wanted to buy a Getz instead of the swift. But the car was for my bro (who still hasn't learnt to drive btw) and he was insistent on buying a swift. Infact, they booked the swift and took delivery when I wasn't in town. Had I been I would have made sure we ended up with the Getz. But I am sure, you aren't aware of this.
Besides, I am sure you know how my dad was scared by my aunt who had a Accent which in word can be summed up as a LEMON.
Infact, last afternoon dad dropped me to Rajeev's office. He saw the Getz and said "I should have listened to you and bough the Getz instead of the swift". That says something. You know dads a perfectionist, the way the swift rattles has had him really worried. If he sells the swift, he looses nearly 1.8L and he will then have to shell out another lakh for a Getz Crdi. Which IMO he doesn't want to do because its pointless buying a new car and letting my bro and mom learn driving on it. He is hoping that both of them learn to drive on the swift and once they do, he mostly will be looking at picking up the I20. But this won't be atleast for another year. I did ask him to sell the swift and buy a 2nd hang Getz, but you of all people must know how my parents will never agree to buy a 2nd hand car. This is the convo we had at Rajeev's office.
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When you wanted to buy a Mivec/turbo the Baleno, you didn't consider the Elantra.
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Akshay! I find your statement quite out of context. If you noticed, the need was for a PETROL car and NEVER a diesel back in those days. If I was looking at buying a diesel, I would have picked up the Elantra eyes closed. Infact at one point of time, I had nearly sold the baleno to pick up an Elantra but then because of F&F I decided to keep the Baleno with me till it rots to dust/I die.
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and it can be modified in terms of suspension and handling more easily than a Getz. These two things are important to me
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Eibach makes suspension for the Getz, I think one of the boys will be trying it out at some point. So I shall reserve my final word on that once I drive it with the Eibach's. Currently, I have been driving the car quite often at speeds close to maxxing out the speedo, honestly, I haven't had any issues of concern like I would with an accent. You guys are just blowing it out of proportion, me thinks.
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I humbly submit that if you upgrade the rubber on your car, it will be a lot more fun to drive.
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Honestly, swift is not a car that enduces the fun factor for me in stock P & D forms. And this is one car that is going to remain stock for a long time to come. I have no say in making decisions on the swift, that car on paper is my brothers, I drive it till he learns to drive it himself. Infact, if I utter the word mod on the Swift, dad will run me over with the car
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I have driven Louis' swift with better engine upgrades and tires. Honestly, if a stock swift came that way, I would probably still give it a miss from my garage. Being so enthu about cars, I still haven't started a thread or a garage for the swift. That itself must show my opinion about the car. All that is good is the suspension and chassis.
I am eagerly awaiting to test the I20 my friend has picked up recently on the Chennai highway.
I respect your care for my well being, but I would rather appreciate if you took the amount of time you took to write this post to instead get me what I have been waiting for for 2 weeks now
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PS: For someone who doesn't own either of these cars and sings such high praises of them must mean something right? If one owns the cars and goes gaga over it, he would mostly be accused of being a fanboy or patronizing ones own brand.
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Originally Posted by kpzen Verna and Getz diesels are korean. |
I know. I said most cars run engines from DD (Sonata, Tuscon, Elantra, Accent). The Verna is produced inhouse wit the tech derived from DD IIRC.