New compact SUV from Premier Auto. EDIT: Rio quick testdrive on page 10

sanagg1 · 29th October 2009, 08:48

Sorry in advance for being tangential !
Why can't Maruti plonk DDIS(Swift diesel) engine in Maruti Gypsy ?

Guru's please enlighten on tecnical difficulies OR is it plain lethargy and incompetence to develope new product on part of MSIL ?

cheers

lawdgawd · 29th October 2009, 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by anujmishra

Some one in this thread reported RIO will be having 98 BHP engine and Dippy said it is 68 BHP. From where 98 BHP came from. There were many discussions regarding 98 BHP Power in this thread.

Now I would say it is like another chinese toys that we find in our market.

That info came from a site maxabout.com, which publishes full details of all vehicles before the vehicle even gets launched, and often gets its info from foreign websites. The data they looked at was apparently for a petrol engine used in China or Malaysia. The site has a very authoritative looking design to it and I have got fooled several times.

teamveevee · 29th October 2009, 10:19

Does not matter how good or bad the vehicle. I will not buy a vehicle with 80% Chinese parts, Period. But hopefully this will open a new market segment for the Indian manufactures, Let us hope Mahindra and Tata will bring similar sized models to the Indian market in the near future.

throttleman · 29th October 2009, 10:23

It is actually a good attempt, I must say. Let us wait and see if at all they sell. As somebody suggested, rural customers, estate owners might take a good look at it. For them, hatchbacks with less ground clearance would be a big no-no.

To create a market is very risky and a gamble. But again, most of the success stories were started by creating a market, setting a trend, becoming an early mover. But of course, with a good product!

Even if it doesn't sell, at least it has prompted other makers to take a good look at it. That, for us consumers, is indeed a great thing.

laluks · 29th October 2009, 10:27

I dream about Gypsy coming back with the 1.3L diesel doing duty now.
Hope with this market opening up that dream becomes a reality.

If they give better ones, still better

suman · 29th October 2009, 10:36

Dippy, thanks for putting things in prespective here. Disasterous pricing, I can't figure out which buyer group they're targeting

Quote:

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

@ dippy - do share how it compares in terms of size, proportions, stance etc with a Wagon R / Gypsy/ Scorpio
thanks

Shankar, you're seriously not thinking that any potential buyer of any of those 3 vehicles that you have mentioned could be (or would be) persuaded to take a second look or buy the Rio

??

chittybang · 29th October 2009, 10:47

Fiat should consider the Panda. I believe a palio version of a mini SUV exists.
Maruti has the Jimny. Surely there is a lot of interest in the mini SUV segment from customers but somehow nobody is considering it. What could be the reason? Are they more expensive to make?

tanwaramit · 29th October 2009, 11:15

expecting 100 sales per month is also quite aggressive for this product. Let us see how rural folks react to this.

I can believe a glove box which opens like a dustbin, a kid might put his hands in the engine above it.

sandeepmdas · 29th October 2009, 11:25

- Guys, we should stop comparing the RiO with the Gypsy. The RiO is not a 4WD vehicle; PAL has absolutely no plans to launch a version either.

- RIO MUST DIE. If it succeeds, it will create huge problems for the development of the Indian automotive industry. The cars (the Swift, SX4, i20, Linea, Fabia, Verna, Fiesta...) that we enjoy today are all thoroughly modern, eco-friendly and many are NCAP 5 safe too. If this chinese dino succeeds all these cars will be threatened and the makers of them will be forced to launch models that are obsolate in their home country, just to counter the RiO. We will be driving 20 years behind the world again.

- The government should bring in laws to prevent companies from launching new products based on old technology. No one should be allowed to make a NEW MODEL car in which the engine is 30 year and chasis is 20 year old respectively. Such products are not creating a level-playing field for those whose cars are state-of-the-art tech, price-wise. It is also disasterous for the Indian automakers Tata and MM, as both are striving for worldclass R&D and products.

- If the HAL is allowed to license-build the old 1960's Boeing 707, they can build that aircraft for say, $20 million. It can threaten both Airbus and Boeing. But such a plan will never work out, simply because of global air safety and environmental regulations. Just an example...

Dippy · 29th October 2009, 11:26

Attaching a scan of the Rio's one page brochure. This should help in knowing what they offer across the three variants.

New compact SUV from Premier Auto. EDIT: Rio quick testdrive on page 10-rio2.jpg

canonball · 29th October 2009, 11:36

sandeep competition is always good and in our market every type of offering in a crowd is needed to make all the makers SWEAT they need to so conumer will always be king and better pricing, more options, and more features as standard will become the norm as I still see makers trying to bully the consumer, less than before but they still do and more entries in every segement will mean more competition which is good for consumer. Think about it unless you are a maker or work for one

Pricing though seems a little steep and in entry level Safari territory! I bet they will knock it down to 3 to 4.5 lacs sooner than they themseleves expect to!

aby · 29th October 2009, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandeepmdas

- Guys, we should stop comparing the RiO with the Gypsy. The RiO is not a 4WD vehicle; PAL has absolutely no plans to launch a version either.

- RIO MUST DIE. If it succeeds, it will create huge problems for the development of the Indian automotive industry. The cars (the Swift, SX4, i20, Linea, Fabia, Verna, Fiesta...) that we enjoy today are all thoroughly modern, eco-friendly and many are NCAP 5 safe too. If this chinese dino succeeds all these cars will be threatened and the makers of them will be forced to launch models that are obsolate in their home country, just to counter the RiO. We will be driving 20 years behind the world again.

- The government should bring in laws to prevent companies from launching new products based on old technology. No one should be allowed to make a NEW MODEL car in which the engine is 30 year and chasis is 20 year old respectively. Such products are not creating a level-playing field for those whose cars are state-of-the-art tech, price-wise. It is also disasterous for the Indian automakers Tata and MM, as both are striving for worldclass R&D and products.

- If the HAL is allowed to license-build the old 1960's Boeing 707, they can build that aircraft for say, $20 million. It can threaten both Airbus and Boeing. But such a plan will never work out, simply because of global air safety and environmental regulations. Just an example...

I don't think other local manufacturers have anything to worry. This tinpot is priced close to 6.5L on road same as Gypsy. Maybe at 3-4L on road it would have given other manufacturers some headache, but at this price - No Way.

We can get Gypsies or M&M Models for similar price.

What did the company think about Indian customers.

acknowledge that we have brains too.

Slightly

why the hell did M&M kill the invader (Or have they, because I don't see any marketing push there). Compared to this junk, that vehicle feels like a Space age vehicle.

anujmishra · 29th October 2009, 11:42

Is this "5 Rod System" suspension at rear is new thing? I haven't heard about this suspension in any other Indian cars atleast.

Has anyone heard about it? What is this exactly?

canonball · 29th October 2009, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by anujmishra

Is this "5 Rod System" suspension at rear is new thing? I haven't heard about this suspension in any other Indian cars atleast.

Has anyone heard about it? What is this exactly?

5 Rod if that is the language they are using is a stupid chinese transilation for 5 Links suspension where there are 5 harness points to suspend the rear differential which will be one piece known as rigid axel. The 5 links would be shock's, springs, trailing arm/lower control arms, stabilizer..etc

Dose · 29th October 2009, 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidindica

GTO, we need a full road test from you, I know I am asking too much, but need your complete review for it. I hope you will not say "no."

I think GTO would be happy to take one for the team, so to speak. All in favour of a complete and exhausting road test by GTO, say "Aye!"

And he can follow it up with a spell binding review of the Mahindra Gio. LOL.

29th October 2009, 08:48	#166
sanagg1 BHPian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: HIMALYAS Posts: 279 Thanked: 6 Times	Sorry in advance for being tangential ! Why can't Maruti plonk DDIS(Swift diesel) engine in Maruti Gypsy ? Guru's please enlighten on tecnical difficulies OR is it plain lethargy and incompetence to develope new product on part of MSIL ? cheers
	() Thanks

29th October 2009, 10:19	#168
teamveevee Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kottayam Posts: 1,081 Thanked: 155 Times	Does not matter how good or bad the vehicle. I will not buy a vehicle with 80% Chinese parts, Period. But hopefully this will open a new market segment for the Indian manufactures, Let us hope Mahindra and Tata will bring similar sized models to the Indian market in the near future.
	() Thanks

29th October 2009, 10:23	#169
throttleman BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore/Bosch Posts: 53 Thanked: Once	It is actually a good attempt, I must say. Let us wait and see if at all they sell. As somebody suggested, rural customers, estate owners might take a good look at it. For them, hatchbacks with less ground clearance would be a big no-no. To create a market is very risky and a gamble. But again, most of the success stories were started by creating a market, setting a trend, becoming an early mover. But of course, with a good product! Even if it doesn't sell, at least it has prompted other makers to take a good look at it. That, for us consumers, is indeed a great thing.
	() Thanks

29th October 2009, 10:27	#170
laluks Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 6,552 Thanked: 16,397 Times	I dream about Gypsy coming back with the 1.3L diesel doing duty now. Hope with this market opening up that dream becomes a reality. If they give better ones, still better
	() Thanks

29th October 2009, 10:47	#172
chittybang BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 305 Thanked: 369 Times	lets hope Fiat is watching Fiat should consider the Panda. I believe a palio version of a mini SUV exists. Maruti has the Jimny. Surely there is a lot of interest in the mini SUV segment from customers but somehow nobody is considering it. What could be the reason? Are they more expensive to make?
	() Thanks

29th October 2009, 11:15	#173
tanwaramit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dilwalon ki Dilli Posts: 1,930 Thanked: 497 Times	expecting 100 sales per month is also quite aggressive for this product. Let us see how rural folks react to this. I can believe a glove box which opens like a dustbin, a kid might put his hands in the engine above it.
	() Thanks

29th October 2009, 11:25	#174
sandeepmdas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Varkala Posts: 1,537 Thanked: 2,490 Times	- Guys, we should stop comparing the RiO with the Gypsy. The RiO is not a 4WD vehicle; PAL has absolutely no plans to launch a version either. - RIO MUST DIE. If it succeeds, it will create huge problems for the development of the Indian automotive industry. The cars (the Swift, SX4, i20, Linea, Fabia, Verna, Fiesta...) that we enjoy today are all thoroughly modern, eco-friendly and many are NCAP 5 safe too. If this chinese dino succeeds all these cars will be threatened and the makers of them will be forced to launch models that are obsolate in their home country, just to counter the RiO. We will be driving 20 years behind the world again. - The government should bring in laws to prevent companies from launching new products based on old technology. No one should be allowed to make a NEW MODEL car in which the engine is 30 year and chasis is 20 year old respectively. Such products are not creating a level-playing field for those whose cars are state-of-the-art tech, price-wise. It is also disasterous for the Indian automakers Tata and MM, as both are striving for worldclass R&D and products. - If the HAL is allowed to license-build the old 1960's Boeing 707, they can build that aircraft for say, $20 million. It can threaten both Airbus and Boeing. But such a plan will never work out, simply because of global air safety and environmental regulations. Just an example... Last edited by sandeepmdas : 29th October 2009 at 11:35.
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29th October 2009, 11:26	#175
Dippy Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai, India Posts: 7,558 Thanked: 2,462 Times	Attaching a scan of the Rio's one page brochure. This should help in knowing what they offer across the three variants.
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29th October 2009, 11:36	#176
canonball Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,466 Thanked: 205 Times View My Garage	sandeep competition is always good and in our market every type of offering in a crowd is needed to make all the makers SWEAT they need to so conumer will always be king and better pricing, more options, and more features as standard will become the norm as I still see makers trying to bully the consumer, less than before but they still do and more entries in every segement will mean more competition which is good for consumer. Think about it unless you are a maker or work for one Pricing though seems a little steep and in entry level Safari territory! I bet they will knock it down to 3 to 4.5 lacs sooner than they themseleves expect to! Last edited by canonball : 29th October 2009 at 11:46.
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29th October 2009, 11:42	#178
anujmishra Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,290 Thanked: 492 Times View My Garage	Is this "5 Rod System" suspension at rear is new thing? I haven't heard about this suspension in any other Indian cars atleast. Has anyone heard about it? What is this exactly?
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