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Originally Posted by VahanPujari I respect Honda tremendously. I've seen from the closest quarters how they've changed the dynamics of Two-wheeler market a few years back. When Scooter sales were dead & the leader Bajaj also tried to concentrate on its weakness i.e. Motorcycles by cutting focus from its flagship/ BreadnButter Scooters biz, Honda Motorcycles & Scooters India (HMSI) came thereafter & launched their offerings - not with Motorcycles first but with Scooters - Automatic & Geared . The Scooter market which was reducing making way for exponential growth for Motorcycles, not only stabilised but increased Scooter market substantially which was actually being left out by existing players including market leaders.
Hero Honda Splandour is a legend. I heard during those times that Honda wanted to shut it that time as it has already served for 4-5 years timeline which might have been specified earlier. But the sales response & strong backing/support to Splandour by Hero Motors did not allow that to happen. |
I hardly follow the two wheeler market (zero interest) and this info was an eye opener.
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Originally Posted by opendro While the comparison was very accurate, the calculation of the value is entirely incorrect. First of all, the price different is not 1.2 lakh. For instance, the original set of 5 alloys cannot be 18K. 5 15" alloys of Fiat Linea would cost 55K. I had read earlier that Honda city provides an exchange of the steels with alloys at a differential cost of 28K. |
Okay, 28K? Still well worth it IMHO. After-market alloys for 20 K are still the best choice though.
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So, ANHC will have advantage in only performance (EDITed), reliability (though yet to prove, still expect it from Honda), fuel efficiency and power. Other cars have their own advantages over ANHC.
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You forget the cancer that the other two petrol competitors suffer from : RESALE / RESIDUAL VALUE. Think about it, a manufacturer is free to price its new car whatever it wishes to.
However, it is the used car market that decides the true value of a car. And if the Honda City commands a strong resale, that speaks volumes of its true worth. You can overcharge the new car buyer, not the used. Several real world examples here.
Further, resale has a lot to do with demand. Just the fact that the Honda City enjoys a 3:1 demand ratio to each of its competitors, it will so in the used market too. Well maintained Honda Citys fly in the used bazaar.
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Linea owners are reporting a lot of niggles. Moreover, mass people are not yet aware of the car. Lets see how it goes going forward. I put my bet on Linea (of course diesel + petrol together).
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I place my bets on the Linea diesel too! Even though I loved the sound & feel of the Punto petrol, I've recommended only the diesel Punto. Reason : Nearly as quick, better driveability, and way better fuel efficiency.
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Originally Posted by amit As for this thread. The Jazz is also a Honda and boasts of the same features as the City yet it does'nt sell and the City does. That's odd. Why doesn't the resale, better performance, fit / finish that work for the City don't for the Jazz? |
Oh c'mon, we've discussed the Jazz' market performance & the reasons behind it far too often in the sales analysis threads. The Jazz isn't quite a C segment sedan, though its price would have you believe otherwise, and neither does it offer class-leading performance. About resale : my prediction is that it will lose value quickly. Overpriced product + Low demand.
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How about some ANHC posting his service invoices on the forum. We have plenty of such invoices and details from Linea / Punto / SX4 owners. Why are Honda owner's so secretive?
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Please search the forum to know more about Honda service costs. I am sure the ANHC is covered several times, while the Civic & Accord service costs have been outlined in this thread itself.
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Originally Posted by J.Ravi The sales of Honda is delining steadily. In Q1-09, the average monthly sales was 5227 units |
Jazz effect, commonly accepted. Look at longer patterns. For the record, production of 4000+ for September has been confirmed for the Honda City.
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It is shameful that Honda does not offer basic climate control, rear ac vents and spare alloy wheel [only spare steel wheel, I was told]
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Agreed. Like I said, the alloy wheels & climate control omissions are the most glaringly evident.
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Originally Posted by throttleking GTO, you could have considered Ford Fiesta Petrol and Optra Magnum Petrol as well in your comparison. |
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