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Originally Posted by YC.BALENO.CHD ?? Dezire uses "Suzuki" developed transmission which does duty on european swift ddis as well. And its another well known fact that in your so called "indian driving conditions" Maruti has better tuned engine/ gearbox combo than the fiat setups and same can be seen in all fiat and tata cars using the setup. |
Oh really??? Sure if it were to be put in a Wagon-R, it would perform the best, but that doesnt make it the best tuned?
Why dont you compare the performance of Euro IV version of the same engine in Ritz and Punto? Ritz has better outright acceleration while Punto has better in-gear performance but at the same time Punto is more than 100 kgs heavier. I am not saying Fiat/Tata is better, I am only refuting your claims that Maruti is superior. Quote:
Originally Posted by YC.BALENO.CHD Now again like you said we don't have sufficient and exact figures so how in the name of your holy quadrajet can you term a car more safe than the other and lead yourself to blindfold conclusions about a car one has not even seen in flesh? |
Werent you the one who concluded that Manza would be just the same as Indigo? Have you actually driven the Vista? Quote:
Originally Posted by YC.BALENO.CHD Now make that 45 page long thread with most appreciative comments from owners of TATA cars.
We do not have (m)-any indigo owners here and it is most unlikely that we will have bhpians running after a sedanised Vista. |
How did you came to this conclusion? As a product, the Manza makes a brilliant case for itself. The product strengths are enough to give it a serious consideration, bhpian or not. Compared to its competitors, there isnt even a single major weak point in the package offered for the price. Quote:
Originally Posted by YC.BALENO.CHD And I have said it before and am repeating it, am not entirely dismissive of the new car, what am dismissive about is the fact that it will make a huge dent on segment leaders.
As for the 'early comments' of mine, the current data is sufficient to atleast safely predict that it wont have good handling/good performance and in most likelihood class leading economy. |
Since we are talking only 'assumptions', let assume if it sell as well as the older Indigo, the number will either come from the new segment it will create or it will eat into the sales of some. Both ways the car as of now is destined to be a good seller keeping in mind that older Indigo sold even though it wasnt as polished, good looking a product. Quote:
Originally Posted by YC.BALENO.CHD What it is and will be is a honest car that serves the purpose of providing optimum space for your money and as with most of the TATA cars a good medium of A to B transportation. |
Another assumption? Have you looked or driven the car in real? Quote:
Originally Posted by YC.BALENO.CHD What it won't have will be smile inducing handling capabilities of the Ikon or dezire and for me and I bet most of the bhpians if a car makes a passenger more happy than the driver, its better left to chauffeur, hence my last comment on the supposed to be owners. |
All you have written are only assumptions and bad one's at that! Quote:
Originally Posted by YC.BALENO.CHD | Quote:
Originally Posted by YC.BALENO.CHD @ owners of indica/indigo here
Sure sir, I believe that your cars are well maintained and as good as new and no, I don't need a pic to believe you as I don't have any reason not to believe a fellow bhpian but then we all love cars and thus tend to look after them atleast drive 'em better than the average car owner. Still, my point remains the same, that as mileage builds up TATAs are not really that good at aging gracefully. Dad had a petrol indica V2 as a company car and its maintenance was very well difficult than the esteem we have.
And my request to all those here, you may argue about any aspect of TATA cars but not the plastic. Even on the modern Vista, the plastics are a full grade down than on any Maruti and Hyundai. Though its surely an improvement over Indicas |
On what basis you say it with such conviction? Have you lived with one for cosiderable time? Or in your books, good plastics are only those that look good even though rattle all the way to glory? |