Toyota’s new MUV for India???

Nitrous Power · 14th October 2009, 05:54

This is indeed the Toyota Ipsum. I dont think this gonna make to Indian shores in near future as Toyota took 4 long years to introduce Fortuner.

tabrez02 · 14th October 2009, 09:39

Seems like india has become a testing ground for other country, dout that this will be launched here in india. Ground clearance seems low compare to the innova.

ACM · 14th October 2009, 11:55

Looks like the new Innova, better fortuner like rear.

The Interiors of the current fortuner are like the current Innova, this one seems to have even better interiors than the innova and also seems to be shorter and better propotioned.

forutnuer would have been better off with these interiors rather than the one in the current innova. I guess if this replaced the current innova then the fortuner interiors too would shift to this look from cost of numbers point of view.

Sarvodaya · 14th October 2009, 16:18

News from Mottoroids:

What you see in the photos here is the Toyota Picnic or Toyota Ipsum or Avensis Verso that was caught testing on the outskirts of Bangalore, with all its tags and badges covered. What’s more is that it was accompanied by a convoy comprising a Xylo and an Innova along with it.

Thanks to platform sharing, its styling has more than a hint of the last generation Corolla/ Avensis to it, and looks a bit dated compared to Toyota’s own Altis. It is an expensive vehicle outside India actually more expensive than the Altis. Our guess is that it will be priced around 14-16 lakh (On-road) and slot in neatly between the Altis/Innova on one side and the Fortuner on the other side. Expect it to be loaded with all the features of the Altis and then some more. And being a Toyota we have no doubt that people who go in for the top end Innovas and use it mainly for personal use will be easily convinced by Toyota’s sales reps to walk out with this one rather than the Innova.

Specifications
Engines: 2.5-litre D4-D Diesel & 2-litre VVTi Petrol
Dimensions (mm) 4690x1760x2852
Wheelbase (mm) 2825
Ground clearance (mm) 180
Kerb weight (kg) 1490 - 1540

How is it different from the Innova?
The Innova is a Rear Wheel Driven (RWD) car based on a pick-up truck platform while the Picnic is based on a Front Wheel Drive (FWD) sedan platform. It is also much shorter in height compared to the Innova, with a lower centre of gravity. Hence it inherits the Driving dynamics and refinement of a sedan and is known to be a much nicer car to drive. However it won’t be as comfortable as the Innova over rough roads. It is also longer in length than the Innova, which makes it a bit more practical. It can comfortably seat seven occupants and still has a decent amount of boot-space left behind the third row of seats. The reason why estate cars have failed in India is because of the lack of a third row of seats. So as per the norm the task of successfully introducing a new niche of vehicles might go to the Japanese yet again.

However a newer Verso is already out (pictured below) and it beats us why Toyota would get a dated looking car to India when they already have a new one in their arsenal.

SOURCE: Motoroids - The Free Revving Species

arun1100 · 14th October 2009, 16:26

Just the right info there.. Hope all the doubts are cleared now.. Karl guessed it right that it would be priced around 17 lacs.

srishiva · 14th October 2009, 16:40

After the B pillar, it looks like a Toyota Matrix.

beejay · 14th October 2009, 16:40

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Originally Posted by arun1100

Just the right info there.. Hope all the doubts are cleared now.. Karl guessed it right that it would be priced around 17 lacs.

This is all very confusing. Don't we have the Fortuner there in almost that price bracket?

Sheesh. I was hoping Toyota rolls out a good MUV for 8.5 to 9.5L on the road. I knew I was dreaming.

ACM · 14th October 2009, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Sarvodaya

News from Mottoroids:

SOURCE: Motoroids - The Free Revving Species

This is already being discussed with real snaps on another thread on the TBHP forum, but this still does not qualify as a station wagon / estate car, (thought it is quite close.)

this one is an MPV with FWD, and though it may be more practical and class than the Innova and maybe would slot in above it and below the fortuner, it still is more or less what we call a VAN.

fx45 · 14th October 2009, 19:35

i like the design and looks of the older version being tested in India wayy better than what is pictured here as the current generation verso.

smooth · 14th October 2009, 19:38

These are the on road pictures of Toyota Picnic in Singapore.
This is in Singapore from long time. I think from 2005 at least.
By bringing this in India, Toyota is not upping the game. They are launching a pretty old model in India.

GTO · 15th October 2009, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by entropy

I beg to differ. I'm one such potential buyer who needs a good premium van with good ride and decent handling beyond Innova/Xylo.

Hey, some people even bought San Storms

. My point is, our market is so diverse that every kind of product will find some buyer or the other. However, I doubt a market for premium vans exists in India yet. Period.

Toyota took all of 5 years to finally launch the Fortuner. They are known to be extremely conversative with their product portfolio in new markets. Lets see how long before they launch this premium van here, if at all.

McLaren Rulez · 15th October 2009, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by smooth

This is in Singapore from long time. I think from 2005 at least.
By bringing this in India, Toyota is not upping the game. They are launching a pretty old model in India.

Exactly! And the Innova is a lot tougher since its on the IMV platform. Suits India's tough conditions better too.

DRC · 15th October 2009, 19:31

I am not sure if Toyota is going to bring this model here. may be , or may be not.

But, what we think is rational might not be in line with what toyota thinks even what the market will accept and appreciate.

When they come with Qualis it was already outdated rest of the world, but qualis was a runaway success solely on its toyota brand name and reliability.
When they decided to replace it with innova, we thought, it is not in the same segment and toyota lost that market, but market showed the willingness to upgrade.
You never know, they might still come with this van, tweak the trim and position it to a segment we might not have discussed at all here. Still succeed or fail.

Station wagon segment was never addressed properly before. As discussed in the same thread, they were priced too close to the SUVs. But now prices of SUV have moved up, so are the sedan prices. If there is a station wagon close to the sedan price rather than the SUV price there is a chance. looking at the aged stature of Ipsum, sharing parts with Innova, it might just be possible to achieve this.

dude131 · 15th October 2009, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTO

Hey, some people even bought San Storms

. My point is, our market is so diverse that every kind of product will find some buyer or the other. However, I doubt a market for premium vans exists in India yet. Period.

Toyota took all of 5 years to finally launch the Fortuner. They are known to be extremely conservative with their product portfolio in new markets. Lets see how long before they launch this premium van here, if at all.

I wonder when India will become an old market for Toyota, the rate at which they are going I think it will be never.

Toyota and Honda's strategy in India are going to bite then in the a*s in a few years time. By looting Indian by providing them with low spec cars at a high price will not do them any favours.
Their competitors are already catching up. Cars like the Linea, Cruze provide excellent value for money compared to the City.

ACM · 16th October 2009, 11:15

Some how unless the Innova is due for a gradual phase out (unlikely based on global trends) this new vehicle may just do the reverse of the City-Civic slotting, with the new vehicle comming a couple of lacs above the top innova and a couple below the top fortuner.

The problem is that the fortuner interiors are identical to the innova and this one if it does come in late may have the most updated interiors (causing confusion in the minds of the buyer) like the latest corolla altis.

When the Innova was launched it was projected as a 7 seater corolla and it took off well, not the corolla altis is distinguising it's own positioning through the interiors.

14th October 2009, 05:54	#61
Nitrous Power BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Anand, Gujarat / Virginia Beach, US Posts: 490 Thanked: 273 Times	This is indeed the Toyota Ipsum. I dont think this gonna make to Indian shores in near future as Toyota took 4 long years to introduce Fortuner.
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14th October 2009, 09:39	#62
tabrez02 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 286 Thanked: 6 Times View My Garage	Seems like india has become a testing ground for other country, dout that this will be launched here in india. Ground clearance seems low compare to the innova.
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14th October 2009, 11:55	#63
ACM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,745 Thanked: 4,361 Times View My Garage	Looks like the new Innova, better fortuner like rear. The Interiors of the current fortuner are like the current Innova, this one seems to have even better interiors than the innova and also seems to be shorter and better propotioned. forutnuer would have been better off with these interiors rather than the one in the current innova. I guess if this replaced the current innova then the fortuner interiors too would shift to this look from cost of numbers point of view.
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14th October 2009, 16:18	#64
Sarvodaya BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 486 Thanked: 821 Times	News from Mottoroids: What you see in the photos here is the Toyota Picnic or Toyota Ipsum or Avensis Verso that was caught testing on the outskirts of Bangalore, with all its tags and badges covered. What’s more is that it was accompanied by a convoy comprising a Xylo and an Innova along with it. Thanks to platform sharing, its styling has more than a hint of the last generation Corolla/ Avensis to it, and looks a bit dated compared to Toyota’s own Altis. It is an expensive vehicle outside India actually more expensive than the Altis. Our guess is that it will be priced around 14-16 lakh (On-road) and slot in neatly between the Altis/Innova on one side and the Fortuner on the other side. Expect it to be loaded with all the features of the Altis and then some more. And being a Toyota we have no doubt that people who go in for the top end Innovas and use it mainly for personal use will be easily convinced by Toyota’s sales reps to walk out with this one rather than the Innova. Specifications Engines: 2.5-litre D4-D Diesel & 2-litre VVTi Petrol Dimensions (mm) 4690x1760x2852 Wheelbase (mm) 2825 Ground clearance (mm) 180 Kerb weight (kg) 1490 - 1540 How is it different from the Innova? The Innova is a Rear Wheel Driven (RWD) car based on a pick-up truck platform while the Picnic is based on a Front Wheel Drive (FWD) sedan platform. It is also much shorter in height compared to the Innova, with a lower centre of gravity. Hence it inherits the Driving dynamics and refinement of a sedan and is known to be a much nicer car to drive. However it won’t be as comfortable as the Innova over rough roads. It is also longer in length than the Innova, which makes it a bit more practical. It can comfortably seat seven occupants and still has a decent amount of boot-space left behind the third row of seats. The reason why estate cars have failed in India is because of the lack of a third row of seats. So as per the norm the task of successfully introducing a new niche of vehicles might go to the Japanese yet again. However a newer Verso is already out (pictured below) and it beats us why Toyota would get a dated looking car to India when they already have a new one in their arsenal. SOURCE: Motoroids - The Free Revving Species
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14th October 2009, 16:26	#65
arun1100 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 2,087 Thanked: 5,577 Times View My Garage	Just the right info there.. Hope all the doubts are cleared now.. Karl guessed it right that it would be priced around 17 lacs.
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14th October 2009, 16:40	#66
srishiva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 4,375 Thanked: 2,256 Times	After the B pillar, it looks like a Toyota Matrix.
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14th October 2009, 19:35	#69
fx45 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,823 Thanked: 384 Times	i like the design and looks of the older version being tested in India wayy better than what is pictured here as the current generation verso.
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14th October 2009, 19:38	#70
smooth BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 142 Thanked: 16 Times	These are the on road pictures of Toyota Picnic in Singapore. This is in Singapore from long time. I think from 2005 at least. By bringing this in India, Toyota is not upping the game. They are launching a pretty old model in India. Attached Thumbnails
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15th October 2009, 19:31	#73
DRC BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cockpit Posts: 911 Thanked: 64 Times View My Garage	I am not sure if Toyota is going to bring this model here. may be , or may be not. But, what we think is rational might not be in line with what toyota thinks even what the market will accept and appreciate. When they come with Qualis it was already outdated rest of the world, but qualis was a runaway success solely on its toyota brand name and reliability. When they decided to replace it with innova, we thought, it is not in the same segment and toyota lost that market, but market showed the willingness to upgrade. You never know, they might still come with this van, tweak the trim and position it to a segment we might not have discussed at all here. Still succeed or fail. Station wagon segment was never addressed properly before. As discussed in the same thread, they were priced too close to the SUVs. But now prices of SUV have moved up, so are the sedan prices. If there is a station wagon close to the sedan price rather than the SUV price there is a chance. looking at the aged stature of Ipsum, sharing parts with Innova, it might just be possible to achieve this.
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16th October 2009, 11:15	#75
ACM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,745 Thanked: 4,361 Times View My Garage	Some how unless the Innova is due for a gradual phase out (unlikely based on global trends) this new vehicle may just do the reverse of the City-Civic slotting, with the new vehicle comming a couple of lacs above the top innova and a couple below the top fortuner. The problem is that the fortuner interiors are identical to the innova and this one if it does come in late may have the most updated interiors (causing confusion in the minds of the buyer) like the latest corolla altis. When the Innova was launched it was projected as a 7 seater corolla and it took off well, not the corolla altis is distinguising it's own positioning through the interiors.
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