Best Entry Level Chauffeur Driven Diesel Sedan

anilkalvani · 26th October 2009, 16:21

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Originally Posted by Malikayil

NOTHING MATCH ITS COMFORT !

Ahem, at 9.29L on-road Mumbai the dated Lancer Diesel isn't exactly 'entry level' dude.

Malikayil · 26th October 2009, 16:25

LOL . . . the Qn is back seat comfort and with the ex-s/r @ 8.11 ; it is closer to all those entry level 1's which u consider

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Originally Posted by anilkalvani

Ahem, at 9.29L on-road Mumbai the dated Lancer Diesel isn't exactly 'entry level' dude.

jigbarai · 26th October 2009, 16:27

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Originally Posted by Malikayil

NOTHING MATCH ITS COMFORT !

Seriously ? Firstly like Linea, it is not 'entry level'.
It is 8 L + ex-showroom.

Also, it is a very old platform. Same to internals/design.
It does not make the best possible use of internal space as compared to the car dimensions.

You buy a new lancer and ppl would think you got yourself a 'good condition' used car. It just does not feel new nowadays.

McLaren Rulez · 26th October 2009, 16:30

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Originally Posted by anilkalvani

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malikayil

NOTHING MATCH ITS COMFORT !

Ahem, at 9.29L on-road Mumbai the dated Lancer Diesel isn't exactly 'entry level' dude.

If the Linea is allowed, why not the Lancer?

Malikayil · 26th October 2009, 16:32

i agree to your point ; then lets make clear, what is entry level !!! you cant put 6 ~ 8 lac say all are entry level. look at the option posted by the thread creator

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Originally Posted by jigbarai

Seriously ? Firstly like Linea, it is not 'entry level'.
It is 8 L + ex-showroom.

Also, it is a very old platform. Same to internals/design.
It does not make the best possible use of internal space as compared to the car dimensions.

You buy a new lancer and ppl would think you got yourself a 'good condition' used car. It just does not feel new nowadays.

anilkalvani · 26th October 2009, 16:34

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Originally Posted by Malikayil

LOL . . . the Qn is back seat comfort and with the ex-s/r @ 8.11 ; it is closer to all those entry level 1's which u consider

I have quoted on-road prices in my original post bro, on-road. So the dated 65bhp (Max Torque 12.5kgm@2500rpm) Lancer at 9.29L on-road Mumbai is 3L more expensive than the 68bhp (Max Torque 16.3kgm@2000rpm) equally dated Ikon at 6.36L OTR Mumbai.

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Originally Posted by jigbarai

Seriously ? Firstly like Linea, it is not 'entry level'.
It is 8 L + ex-showroom.

Also, it is a very old platform. Same to internals/design.
It does not make the best possible use of internal space as compared to the car dimensions.

You buy a new lancer and ppl would think you got yourself a 'good condition' used car. It just does not feel new nowadays.

++1 to that. It does not feel new at all.

Ditto with the Logan with its uninspiring looks. But for the comfort, Aaahhhhh!!!

**EDIT**
@Mclaren

Tell the thread starter to change the poll options to add the Lancer then bro, not me. I have listed the most suitable from the 'poll options' provided.

JVH · 26th October 2009, 16:37

Voted for the Manza based on my experience with Vista. Next would be Ford Ikon.

TATAs are passenger delights, cars ofcourse

aby · 26th October 2009, 16:51

While I have not really sat on a Manza and traveled long distances, I can vouch for the comfort of the rear seats in a Logan. Yes the suspension helps too, but the seat were simply a notch better than anything else in its class (Ikon, Fiesta, Indigo or Dezire).

So if rear seat comfort is the only deciding factor, I will go for Logan (or maybe Manza if reports are to be believed)

Fordy · 26th October 2009, 17:31

Gautam, If I have to go by the thread title, obviously its Ford Ikon. BTW how did you include Linea? Did you pick one for each company?

rkbharat · 26th October 2009, 17:37

Its clearly Manza for the price, space and rear ride quality

Gautam Misra · 26th October 2009, 23:28

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Originally Posted by anilkalvani

+1 Gautam.

Also, points that must be considered before voting, since the emphasis is on "Best Entry Level Chauffeur Driven Diesel Sedan":

Ingress & Egress
Seat Cushioning Comfort
Under Thigh Support
Seat Back Position
Shoulder Room
Legroom
Roof Height
Ride Quality
Suspension
Seat Width

Well said Anil. I think you must add A.S.S to it and that might be a factor against the Manza which is now way ahead in the poll.

How would one rate the A.S.S of cars like Logan (in the backdrop of rumors of Renault pulling out of the JV with Mahindra) and Ford (in the backdrop of what has happened to them in the U.S- even though Ford India has categorically said that developments in the U.S would not affect their operations in Asia).

GTO · 27th October 2009, 15:06

Had a detailed test of the Manza (report coming up soon) and let me say this : NOTHING in the segment compares to the Manza's rear seat. 28 degree reclined (very reclined, angle identical to the S Class), superb room (more than cars costing 2x - 3x as much) and soft ride in the city. My old-gen Indigo was always great on the back seat, but the Manza takes it to another level.

The only car that comes close is the Logan; the others on this poll are not even in contention for rear bench comfort.

ACM · 27th October 2009, 17:28

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Originally Posted by GTO

Had a detailed test of the Manza (report coming up soon) and let me say this : NOTHING in the segment compares to the Manza's rear seat. 28 degree reclined (very reclined, angle identical to the S Class), superb room (more than cars costing 2x - 3x as much) and soft ride in the city. My old-gen Indigo was always great on the back seat, but the Manza takes it to another level.

It is very clear that manza has the competetion licked, the only thing left to correct is the cars that qualify for the segment. Somehow the Linea doesn't expecially if the Fiesta and SX4 are not included.

What would be interesting is to come up with a price for each car in the segment at which considering what they offer they become VFM by themselves.

MX6 · 27th October 2009, 18:46

This is the most difficult poll for me. Because I've never sat in the back seat of any of these cars. Been a driver all the while

Well, purely going on the looks department, My vote goes to Linea.

pats · 27th October 2009, 18:47

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Originally Posted by GTO

Had a detailed test of the Manza (report coming up soon) and let me say this : NOTHING in the segment compares to the Manza's rear seat. 28 degree reclined (very reclined, angle identical to the S Class), superb room (more than cars costing 2x - 3x as much) and soft ride in the city. My old-gen Indigo was always great on the back seat, but the Manza takes it to another level.

The only car that comes close is the Logan; the others on this poll are not even in contention for rear bench comfort.

Great

. Eagerly awaiting your report GTO. Simply by the specs and features offered Manza is THE VFM product in the market currently.

View Poll Results: Which is the best Chauffeur Driven Entry Level Diesel Sedan
Ford Ikon	12	5.77%
Ford Fusion	1	0.48%
Mahindra Logan	22	10.58%
Swift Dzire	2	0.96%
Tata Manza	131	62.98%
Linea	40	19.23%
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26th October 2009, 16:37	#52
JVH Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,045 Thanked: 207 Times	Voted for the Manza based on my experience with Vista. Next would be Ford Ikon. TATAs are passenger delights, cars ofcourse
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26th October 2009, 16:51	#53
aby BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 97 Thanked: 10 Times	While I have not really sat on a Manza and traveled long distances, I can vouch for the comfort of the rear seats in a Logan. Yes the suspension helps too, but the seat were simply a notch better than anything else in its class (Ikon, Fiesta, Indigo or Dezire). So if rear seat comfort is the only deciding factor, I will go for Logan (or maybe Manza if reports are to be believed)
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26th October 2009, 17:31	#54
Fordy BHPian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 100 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	Gautam, If I have to go by the thread title, obviously its Ford Ikon. BTW how did you include Linea? Did you pick one for each company?
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26th October 2009, 17:37	#55
rkbharat Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Gurgaon/New Delhi Posts: 1,601 Thanked: 724 Times View My Garage	Its clearly Manza for the price, space and rear ride quality
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27th October 2009, 15:06	#57
GTO Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bombay Posts: 70,483 Thanked: 300,266 Times View My Garage	Had a detailed test of the Manza (report coming up soon) and let me say this : NOTHING in the segment compares to the Manza's rear seat. 28 degree reclined (very reclined, angle identical to the S Class), superb room (more than cars costing 2x - 3x as much) and soft ride in the city. My old-gen Indigo was always great on the back seat, but the Manza takes it to another level. The only car that comes close is the Logan; the others on this poll are not even in contention for rear bench comfort.
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27th October 2009, 18:46	#59
MX6 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: City of seven islands. Posts: 2,877 Thanked: 231 Times	This is the most difficult poll for me. Because I've never sat in the back seat of any of these cars. Been a driver all the while Well, purely going on the looks department, My vote goes to Linea.
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