Scoop! Sumo Grande Mark II

Sudan_NFS · 2nd November 2009, 16:34

Expected: December 2010
Engine: 2.2-litre DICOR
Changes: Mirror mounted indicators, new 'DICOR' monogram, interiors tweaked

Tata is desperately trying to get the Sumo Grande to sell well. But all those efforts have been hitting the wall as far as we can see. The carmaker will try to breathe some fresh air once again into the premium MUV by the end of this year. The refreshed Sumo will be christened 'Sumo Grande MKII'. The MKII model will feature mirror mounted turn indicators. The 'Dicor' sticker on the rear quarter panel will be done away with and instead a '2.2 DICOR' monogram will find space over the front wheel arches. The new vehicle will get some tweaks to the interiors as well, though the exact details are not available at the moment.

Source:Motoroids

I could have been better if they have added Airbags and ABS at least in top end.

mjothi · 2nd November 2009, 16:54

I don't see much difference in the looks. Until they work on that, i doubt if it will sell. That too in the premium SUV segemnt???

Is it like Amby to Abmy Mark series

sharma_sanjeevi · 2nd November 2009, 16:56

What the Sumo Grande needs, is the Complete overhaul of the interiors & plastic quality, the interiors on the current model on sale are pathetic and looks a generation behind of the current crop from the competition.

Are the modifications limited only to the exteriors ?

amtak · 2nd November 2009, 17:00

I think this is not the final version. Looks like a PS job to me. Some information is correct though.

shankar.balan · 2nd November 2009, 17:18

why continue flogging this deceased equine?

better to bury the beast and be done with it.

unni.ak · 2nd November 2009, 17:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

why continue flogging this deceased equine?

better to bury the beast and be done with it.

Very true. Just bare the loss and move on. There is no point investing more R&D money on Grande.

harimakesh · 2nd November 2009, 18:53

ORVM integrated blinkers are welcome addition.

More importantly TATA must think:
Dropping of Sumo tag
Placing Turbo charger as Top Mount from existing bottom mount.
Reduction of Kerb weight within 1700kg
Introducing 4x4 option

Addition of side rub rails with chrome inserts, Inclusion of ABS, Airbag (option), fresh new design Dash , over all interior fit quality and finish improvement along with price correction (reduction) as a combo can bring some momentum.

prince_pervez · 2nd November 2009, 18:58

I don't see any point in this. Book losses and close the project or sell the stock at a reasonable price. One more thing, some tweaked interiors and exteriors and an existing engine plonk takes Dec 2010 ? One full year ? There must be something else even. Or the project is looked after Graduate and Management trainees as a case study.

greenhorn · 2nd November 2009, 19:16

Mark II? this looks more like a limited edition/new variant!

theMAG · 2nd November 2009, 19:18

They could rework it completely and sell it as a "compact SUV" with appropriate price/trim corrections.

AyAn! · 2nd November 2009, 21:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sudan_NFS

Tata is desperately trying to get the Sumo Grande to sell well.

Desperate?!And they still hope to make it fly off shelves with just some reworked badging?

nickatnite · 2nd November 2009, 21:32

What the Sumo needs is a complete makeover. Redesign the slab-like front to look more contoured and classy, incorporate a formal grille instead of the mishmash, add some trim to the body work to make it less brick-like, redesign the interiors completely using high quality material and put in fancy equipment/instrumentation and even with a price increase it will find buyers, not in the mass segment of the Indian auto market, which doesn't appreciate quality, aesthetics and style but i'm sure the car will be looked at by some discerning private buyers.

EssYouWe · 2nd November 2009, 21:37

Maybe they could turn it into a more compact SUV with a jeep like look, offer 4X4 and ABS. Rip out all goodies. Leave room for customization.

Price it around 5-6 Lacs.

A lot of young kids would buy it.

4x4addict · 3rd November 2009, 12:29

These pathetic guys at Tata Marketing making another lame *** attempt to flog this dead horse.

Looks like the Taxi segment has written this off. Atleast make it attractive to the personal family carrier market by putting in coil springs at back with ABS/Air bags option and making the looks more SUVish. I just cannot stand it from the rear.

vikrantj · 3rd November 2009, 13:35

Why are Tata's getting off-track with Sumo I fail to understand ? IMHO Grande looks decent , well diffrent people diffrent perceptions . All that they lacked was fit and finish. Otherwise I see Grande as a good product. In one of the topics there was a talk of upgrading engine in Grande. The engine is good enough to pull that weight and much much better than the home grown M&M engines.

Give Grande a grander interior , and see the diffrence in the sales.

--Vikrant

2nd November 2009, 16:34	#1
Sudan_NFS BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: chennai Posts: 759 Thanked: 16 Times	Scoop! Sumo Grande Mark II *Expected: December 2010* *Engine: 2.2-litre DICOR* *Changes: Mirror mounted indicators, new 'DICOR' monogram, interiors tweaked* Tata is desperately trying to get the Sumo Grande to sell well. But all those efforts have been hitting the wall as far as we can see. The carmaker will try to breathe some fresh air once again into the premium MUV by the end of this year. The refreshed Sumo will be christened 'Sumo Grande MKII'. The MKII model will feature mirror mounted turn indicators. The 'Dicor' sticker on the rear quarter panel will be done away with and instead a '2.2 DICOR' monogram will find space over the front wheel arches. The new vehicle will get some tweaks to the interiors as well, though the exact details are not available at the moment. Source:Motoroids I could have been better if they have added Airbags and ABS at least in top end. Last edited by Sudan_NFS : 2nd November 2009 at 16:41.
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2nd November 2009, 16:54	#2
mjothi Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 3,287 Thanked: 231 Times View My Garage	I don't see much difference in the looks. Until they work on that, i doubt if it will sell. That too in the premium SUV segemnt??? Is it like Amby to Abmy Mark series
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2nd November 2009, 16:56	#3
sharma_sanjeevi BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 598 Thanked: 113 Times	What the Sumo Grande needs, is the Complete overhaul of the interiors & plastic quality, the interiors on the current model on sale are pathetic and looks a generation behind of the current crop from the competition. Are the modifications limited only to the exteriors ?
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2nd November 2009, 17:00	#4
amtak Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai - The city of Sea Link!!! Posts: 2,915 Thanked: 899 Times View My Garage	I think this is not the final version. Looks like a PS job to me. Some information is correct though.
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2nd November 2009, 17:18	#5
shankar.balan BANNED Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 11,368 Thanked: 23,150 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/2 (8)	why continue flogging this deceased equine? better to bury the beast and be done with it.
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2nd November 2009, 18:53	#7
harimakesh BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chennai/Kuwait Posts: 502 Thanked: 354 Times	ORVM integrated blinkers are welcome addition. More importantly TATA must think: Dropping of Sumo tag Placing Turbo charger as Top Mount from existing bottom mount. Reduction of Kerb weight within 1700kg Introducing 4x4 option Addition of side rub rails with chrome inserts, Inclusion of ABS, Airbag (option), fresh new design Dash , over all interior fit quality and finish improvement along with price correction (reduction) as a combo can bring some momentum.
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2nd November 2009, 18:58	#8
prince_pervez Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Redwood shores, CA, USA Posts: 4,210 Thanked: 51 Times View My Garage	I don't see any point in this. Book losses and close the project or sell the stock at a reasonable price. One more thing, some tweaked interiors and exteriors and an existing engine plonk takes Dec 2010 ? One full year ? There must be something else even. Or the project is looked after Graduate and Management trainees as a case study.
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2nd November 2009, 19:16	#9
greenhorn Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,745 Thanked: 4,398 Times View My Garage	Mark II? this looks more like a limited edition/new variant!
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2nd November 2009, 19:18	#10
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	They could rework it completely and sell it as a "compact SUV" with appropriate price/trim corrections.
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2nd November 2009, 21:32	#12
nickatnite Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NYC/MAA Posts: 1,430 Thanked: 603 Times	What the Sumo needs is a complete makeover. Redesign the slab-like front to look more contoured and classy, incorporate a formal grille instead of the mishmash, add some trim to the body work to make it less brick-like, redesign the interiors completely using high quality material and put in fancy equipment/instrumentation and even with a price increase it will find buyers, not in the mass segment of the Indian auto market, which doesn't appreciate quality, aesthetics and style but i'm sure the car will be looked at by some discerning private buyers.
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2nd November 2009, 21:37	#13
EssYouWe Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lucknow Posts: 1,391 Thanked: 18 Times	Maybe they could turn it into a more compact SUV with a jeep like look, offer 4X4 and ABS. Rip out all goodies. Leave room for customization. Price it around 5-6 Lacs. A lot of young kids would buy it.
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3rd November 2009, 12:29	#14
4x4addict Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chennai Posts: 4,483 Thanked: 4,531 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (5)	These pathetic guys at Tata Marketing making another lame *** attempt to flog this dead horse. Looks like the Taxi segment has written this off. Atleast make it attractive to the personal family carrier market by putting in coil springs at back with ABS/Air bags option and making the looks more SUVish. I just cannot stand it from the rear.
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3rd November 2009, 13:35	#15
vikrantj BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 628 Thanked: 568 Times	Why are Tata's getting off-track with Sumo I fail to understand ? IMHO Grande looks decent , well diffrent people diffrent perceptions . All that they lacked was fit and finish. Otherwise I see Grande as a good product. In one of the topics there was a talk of upgrading engine in Grande. The engine is good enough to pull that weight and much much better than the home grown M&M engines. Give Grande a grander interior , and see the diffrence in the sales. --Vikrant
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