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Originally Posted by supremeBaleno
What does reliability as in "not being stranded" have to do with fancy electronics ? Does the City having power-windows means that the chances of it breaking down are more than an M800 which has manual windows ? Or does having VTec means the car is more prone to breakdown ? Then that is not good enough technology.
I don't know guys, but after debating reliability, now you guys are going into intangible and unrelated things like "feel", "fancy electronics" and stuff. |
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Originally Posted by supremeBaleno If you put an SX4 & NHC side-by-side and compare the cars on quality of materials used or workmanship, I don't think there is much of a fight there - the NHC would be the easy winner. But that was not what we were discussing - the whole discussion was about a car leaving you stranded and I don't see rattling being important in this context.
True, the definition is narrow - I did google for an fitting definition, but could not find one. And like I said, the whole discussion was about cars leaving you stranded and I don't think rattles can leave you stranded. |
Lol, this is becoming a very interesting discussion and i have already seen some pretty sweeping arguments. Although i am no honda guy but i think i will take sides this time.
Sir, You are not debating reliability. Rather the debate for you is being 'stranded in the middle'. If thats the only issue then i agree with you. Period. However here point of interest is 'reliability' and it comes in various guises. Being stranded in the middle is one aspect of it.
Now, honestly i dont expect a maruti to strand me in the middle. its just one of those things that can happen to any car, its only that some brands have more stringent quality checks and controls ( honda, toyota?) than others (Maruti?) which effectively reduces the probability of a failure due to a fan belt, alternator, slave cylinder etc malfunction ( = increased reliability). Get the drift ?
which brings me to a fitting definition of 'reliability' which UKR found through, guess what, googling.
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Originally Posted by UKR Here is the definition of reliability from an engineering perspective :-Reliability can be defined as the probability that a component part, equipment, or system will satisfactorily perform its intended function under given circumstances, such as environmental conditions, limitations as to operating time, and frequency and thoroughness of maintenance for a specified period of time.(found by googling). |
Now if the something in my car is making noise, which it is not supposed to, then it is not offering me the satisfactory standard of service. plain and simple. It is a reliability issue for me. if engines were the only parameters of reliability i would go buy a Logan and wouldn't worry if rains soaked the damn carpet inside.
This is where Honda scores. It is a niggle free brand. Some major issue is another thing, in that case you just get it over with and move on.
By the way my friend calls his swift the "rattle snake". He is big on discovery channel these days. He loves his car though.
In my opinion if one can leave aside one's cribbing about price, premium etc, Honda generally provides a slightly easier ownership experience (not much hassles overall). And its in general terms so please dont find a few threads and shove it up my face lol. No offence.
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Originally Posted by supremeBaleno It is not just the ANHC that sold well. The NHC was the segment leader and before that the OHC did pretty well. And I don't think this thread is to discuss why they sell well, because anyone who has spent a few days on the forum can search and find the umpteen number of threads which will enlighten you as to why they sell. Do we need to do that all over again, just because you are not aware ?
And same goes for why the Baleno did not sell. Use search in times of doubt and you would get your answers, instead of dragging irrelevant queries into threads that have nothing to do with them.
So, you seem to think that anything that sells is good. Hmm. Good for you. |
firstly i do think that anything that sells by popular demand deserves a second look, I might myself buy it (I know its good for me
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and at the same time i do believe that not everything that doesn't sell is necessarily bad. Baleno for instance.
secondly this thread IS about why they sell well (check the title, a 'why' is inevitable), thats how the reliability issue came up in the first place. though it got converted to 'stranded in the middle' is another issue.
Honda does most things well (not talking about the pricing ) or it stays well above average and most importantly it never gives you a strong reason to reject it unlike other brands (ex- Skoda, FIAT: After Sales, Maruti: looks "baleno for instance") That is why it has succeeded in our market. Not because of any special marketing strategy as some believe. ofcourse the word of mouth did help.
That takes care of the 'why' part, & this is for those guys who just might be interested to read my take on it. cheers : )