Spied 2010 Tata Safari / Indicruz EDIT : Caught testing in India! Pics on Pg. 20

fx45 · 9th February 2009, 16:11

Tata's look quite active in testing this one .. if this goes on then we might see this Crossover on roads in full production version before diwali.

sidindica · 9th February 2009, 18:44

i pray to god that indicruz flops from day 1 and meets similar fate like the sumo grande.

raj_5004 · 9th February 2009, 18:55

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Originally Posted by sidindica

i pray to god that indicruz flops from day 1 and meets similar fate like the sumo grande.

why sidindica? any particular reason for such a curse?

sidindica · 9th February 2009, 19:02

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Originally Posted by raj_5004

why sidindica? any particular reason for such a curse?

I had great expectations from sumo grande after seeing years of heavily disguised test mules and when the final product was unveiled-

it turned out to be a total letdown.

poor fit and finish, 13-year old chassis, pathetic interior quality, sloppy handling, unrefined motor and typical tata reliability problems meant it had to flop.

thank god it flopped.tata does not deserve to make cars and muvs/ suvs anymore.
when will they learn?
first the safari 2.2, then sumo grande, and now indicruz! common, tata, learn to make quality product otherwise you will be doomed.

anyway, i have stopped having expectations from tata products, including the upcoming indigo vista, no matter how cheap they may be, they will never be called "world class".

and this comes from a guy who is doing training at tata motors (commercial vehicles-school bus division). the dealer of tata motors whom I visited today was explaining me negative points of tata buses and these buses don't deserve to sell as well as swaraj mazda buses.

sidindica · 9th February 2009, 19:08

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Originally Posted by raj_5004

why sidindica? any particular reason for such a curse?

and raj, you have to agree that a scorpio 2.2 has a better fit and finish and reliability than a safari 2.2, since you seem to own both of them. (seeing your signature

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Trapezio · 9th February 2009, 19:17

Sidindica... let me share you something that I know.

The original Scorpio was launched in a modified Armada platform (which again was based on ...)! Now how old is that? But clever PR changed everything!

The Xylo is the second platform from Mahindra and the first Mahindra platform. The older one's origins lies outside Mahindra.

raj_5004 · 9th February 2009, 19:21

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Originally Posted by sidindica

and raj, you have to agree that a scorpio 2.2 has a better fit and finish and reliability than a safari 2.2, since you seem to own both of them. (seeing your signature

)

actually thats what goes against me my friend... that i own both! i do agree to what you said but if i dare to say anything negative about safaris on T-BHP, it becomes a EGO clash & many pounce on me! (no offence members!). so i would refrain to comment anything about the safari here.

on a serious note, we cannot actually under-estimate TATA here. i agree the sumo was a complete disaster, but that was actually just a major facelift for the sumo. they tried to remove its 'taxi image' which dint work.

but here, we have a completely new product. the vista has impressed me a bit. here again, quality & fit/finish is poor, i agree but then you get a 'big' car with the great multijet engine for 5.5 lakhs, good value when compared to the swift diesel. i am not too sure about its reliabiltiy either but will reserve my comments for some time. so if the indicruz is priced properly like the xylo, i feel it can be a good product. but i repeat, i still wont trust TATA when it comes to reliability.

raj_5004 · 9th February 2009, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Trapezio

Sidindica... let me share you something that I know.

The original Scorpio was launched in a modified Armada platform (which again was based on ...)! Now how old is that? But clever PR changed everything!

The Xylo is the second platform from Mahindra and the first Mahindra platform. The older one's origins lies outside Mahindra.

thats wrong info my friend. the scorpio's chassis was new. many mistake it for the armada chassis as both share identical wheelbase.

this should clear your doubt:
Roadtest - Mahindra Scorpio Turbo 2.6 DX: Chassis & Suspension

sidindica · 9th February 2009, 19:50

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Originally Posted by raj_5004

thats wrong info my friend. the scorpio's chassis was new. many mistake it for the armada chassis as both share identical wheelbase.

this should clear your doubt:
Roadtest - Mahindra Scorpio Turbo 2.6 DX: Chassis & Suspension

the bolero is a rebadged armada, which itself is an old willys ladder frame chassis modified to make an armada and then give it a new front end, rear and interiors and called it bolero.

on the other hand, the scorpio is a completely fully indegeniously developed new NG ladder frame chassis from mahindra which was conceived in 1996 and the first new product, scorpio ws launched in july 2002.

the xylo is an extended version of the scorpio chassis but with modifications to suspension and wheelbase to handle the comfort quotient that joint families demand when travelling together for long distances, a segment pioneered by innova.

agentsmith2 · 9th February 2009, 20:00

Ofcourse there's a small possiblity that Tata Motors might not have enough cash to stay liquid beyond the next 12 months. They've delayed vendor payments for a quarter now I believe - and insiders say that the cash situation is horrible.

Just a possibility.

Trapezio · 9th February 2009, 20:09

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Originally Posted by raj_5004

thats wrong info my friend. the scorpio's chassis was new. many mistake it for the armada chassis as both share identical wheelbase.

this should clear your doubt:
Roadtest - Mahindra Scorpio Turbo 2.6 DX: Chassis & Suspension

I agree with the changes they have mentioned. By normal standards followed, this does not qualify for an all new platform. In fact its only in India they can pass off with such claims.

Normally the most difficult portion of a platform is the weight distribution, mount points etc. Unless these are overhauled it is not a new platform. Also these are the most expensive items in a platform.

Hence I would say the Scorpio is a revised (heavily or not is subjective) platform; but surely not a new one.

The Xylo on the other hand is a new one. A good effort it seems...

TeddyBear · 10th February 2009, 21:33

So, It is Going to be Xylo Vs IndiCruez.

They are going to eat seizable chunk of Innova. it is good news for Innova buyers as price may come down.

prashanthyr · 10th February 2009, 22:16

The Indicruz or whatever it is called finally looks really good. My wish list for this Tata is simple
a. Ensure there are no gremlins in the electrical and mechanical parts
b. Innova quality on all the parts that the average user sees, touches and feels like interior fittings, beadings, panel gaps.
c. Safety equipment on all versions a la Honda with new City

I feel if Tata takes care of the above 3 (pricing / space etc are of course assumed as the vehicle is a Tata), then they have a blockbuster on their hands

HappyWheels · 11th February 2009, 02:50

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Originally Posted by TeddyBear

...They are going to eat seizable chunk of Innova. it is good news for Innova buyers as price may come down.

I hope this does happen. But then, we never know! There was so much hype about Grande, but look at what happened.

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Originally Posted by prashanthyr

... My wish list for this Tata is simple
a. Ensure there are no gremlins in the electrical and mechanical parts
b. Innova quality on all the parts that the average user sees, touches and feels like interior fittings, beadings, panel gaps.
c. Safety equipment on all versions a la Honda with new City
...

If only... if only!

vinaydas · 11th February 2009, 08:01

well IMO Toyota should not worry to much.Innova is a tried and tested vehicle it has got a very good brand image+resale value etc etc i don't think the tata's or the mahindra's can match it.Toyota dint become the #1 in the world by selling peanuts,they know how to get their customers.

9th February 2009, 16:11	#301
fx45 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,823 Thanked: 384 Times	Tata's look quite active in testing this one .. if this goes on then we might see this Crossover on roads in full production version before diwali.
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9th February 2009, 18:44	#302
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,890 Thanked: 8,101 Times	i pray to god that indicruz flops from day 1 and meets similar fate like the sumo grande.
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9th February 2009, 19:17	#306
Trapezio BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Kerala Posts: 640 Thanked: 63 Times	Sidindica... let me share you something that I know. The original Scorpio was launched in a modified Armada platform (which again was based on ...)! Now how old is that? But clever PR changed everything! The Xylo is the second platform from Mahindra and the first Mahindra platform. The older one's origins lies outside Mahindra.
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9th February 2009, 20:00	#310
agentsmith2 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bay Area Posts: 130 Thanked: 2 Times	Ofcourse there's a small possiblity that Tata Motors might not have enough cash to stay liquid beyond the next 12 months. They've delayed vendor payments for a quarter now I believe - and insiders say that the cash situation is horrible. Just a possibility.
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TeddyBear BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: horamavu Posts: 409 Thanked: 41 Times	It is Going to be Xylo Vs IndiCruez So, It is Going to be Xylo Vs IndiCruez. They are going to eat seizable chunk of Innova. it is good news for Innova buyers as price may come down.
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10th February 2009, 22:16	#313
prashanthyr BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 546 Thanked: 249 Times	The Indicruz or whatever it is called finally looks really good. My wish list for this Tata is simple a. Ensure there are no gremlins in the electrical and mechanical parts b. Innova quality on all the parts that the average user sees, touches and feels like interior fittings, beadings, panel gaps. c. Safety equipment on all versions a la Honda with new City I feel if Tata takes care of the above 3 (pricing / space etc are of course assumed as the vehicle is a Tata), then they have a blockbuster on their hands
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11th February 2009, 08:01	#315
vinaydas Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 1,399 Thanked: 148 Times	well IMO Toyota should not worry to much.Innova is a tried and tested vehicle it has got a very good brand image+resale value etc etc i don't think the tata's or the mahindra's can match it.Toyota dint become the #1 in the world by selling peanuts,they know how to get their customers.
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