Helloo All,
I've read the last... 5 pages of this incredibly long thread, and have a few things I'd like to say.
Actually, I have a few things I'd like to tell the top brass at Tata, but I don't know how, so if any of you can help, I'd sincerely appreciate it.
My name is Maurizio, aka "Tatazucca" from "
Tata Club Italia Elephant 4x4".
I bought my 3.0 DICOR Safari new in November 2006 and clocked 80.000 Km yesterday!
I'm also an "avid" (enthusiastic, albeit careful) offroader, and have carried out a few very discreet mods to my Safari.
I've heard of interesting news about the new Safari, and hope Tata will not change the Safari's "soul" from "proper 4x4" into an urban SUV.
As she is now, 3.0 or 2.2, the Safari has a wonderful rail chassis which, mated to very efficient suspension, make her a wonderful motorway cruiser (my speed 110km/h, others will speed in excess of 130Km/h
cruising) yet she is ready to show anyone just how good she is offroad.
Two months ago TataClub had its 10th yearly National Jamboree, and we forded a small stream to go up a mountain... we had our fun, it started raining, we pulled tarpaulins and sunscreens for the rain, had lunch, toured some more and by the time we made our way back to that ... "small stream"... it had engorged and we had water up to the bonnet !!!
Well, it was "do or die" so I did, forded the stream with water around my rear view mirrors in Low 2nd and gunned the engine (you don't want any water sucked up backwards through the exhaust) and I made it !!!
Here I am coming out, it was much deeper as I crossed left to right, so the Safari is a GREAT 4x4 !!!
If only her QC were as good as a Toyota KDJ... she'd be selling like peanuts !
So, what would I like to see in the new 2010 Safari ? ENGINE: I've been told of new engines, 3.0 litre V6 in both petrol and TDi form.
That's great, provided they keep the 2.2 TDi for lower tax in Europe; but any serious offroaded will demand the V6 (actually, I'm sorry they ditched the 3.0, but that's another story...)(Could we at least obtain a 16V head for the 3.0 DICOR? pleeease ?)
Gearbox: the current 5-speed may be a strong and versatile unit, but 5 speeds are too few for fast road, and not enough for offroading. I'd like to see a strong, 6-speed manual box (as in LR Discovery) with a 5 / 6-speed autobox as optional (I'd jump ath the opportunity for a 6-speed auto !!!)
Rear Differential: as is, the Dana44 is "Limited Slip" at 30%... really only good on slippery tarmac, but close to useless when offroading... Is there any way to have a 60%LSD Dana44, as optional equipment? One would gladly pay, especially because it would be a "backwards compatible upgrade" to all the 2.0, 3.0, 2.2 Safaris already out there.
Rear Disc Brakes: The rear drum brakes aren't too bad, but as Jeep have the same Dana44 rear axle with disc brakes... why can't we? Incidentally, disc brake pads are so much smaller to produce, store, ship, carry as spares... logistics are greatly improved and so is braking performance.
Roofrack: I don't know about the Indian market, but here in Europe the Safari is not qualified to carry any more than 30Kg on the roofrack... that's because only the front half of the roof actually has luggage rails, while the rear half has those funny plastic "handles" that aren't really much good. There are a few "DIY" solutions by TataClub members here in Italy, but, as they say, "at your risk and peril"... So how about a strong roofrack to carry not only the family luggage, but a tent and sleeping kit, or maybe even a jerrycan or two?
Spare wheel: The door-mounted spare IS a pain to get on and off, and I do agree one will get his shirt dirty, BUT I have seen how difficult it is for an offroader with a Hyundai Terracan and the guy had to lay down in the mud just to free the shackle from grime and grit and mud... ugh... So yes, the new solution will make for a neater-looking and better performing Safari, until you have to change that flat tyre.
May I suggest a mechanism operated through a hole in the rear bumper, with the use of the jack handle, so one doesn't have to lie down and get dirty to lower the spare wheel?
Quarterlights at the Front windows: Comfortable as they may be, I find the windows of the front doors to be very big and prone to excessive vibrations when travelling with in the typical "one inch only" position; they vibrate, cklatter and make all sorts of noises. If the front windows were rectangular (like the rear windows) with an adjustable triangular quarterlight, it would be the ideal solution.
AND NOW... THE EXPLORER PACKAGE
Dedicated to all those with serious offroading in mind, I'd like to propose a number of aftermarket accessories that would make the Safari even more rugged and OFFroadworthy:
1) The already mentioned 60%+ LSD, as a complete Dana44 unit, to allow for a direct replacement of the original unit; as such, the original Dana44 could be returned to Tata for refurbishment and resold through SPARES.
A similar upgrade for the Dana30 front differential
2) The already mentioned rear disc brake conversion.
3) A +2 inch raising kit, made of 4 dampers (shock absorbers) tougher and longer, and 2" taller coil springs for the rear, together with the minor ancillaries required; this would raise the Safari 2" allowing for safer 50cm fords.
4) A "Tata-approved" snorkel for the air filter (here in Italy you can't fit a snorkel without DOT (Government) approval, and they will approve only OEM add-ons), which will fit to the right of the vehicle for 2.0 and 2.2 Safaris, and to the left for the 3.0 models.
4a) A Tata-approved "fording kit", comprising the above mentioned snorkel, plus "breathers", i.e. 1/8th nich, watertight hose running from the differentials (two) gearbox and transfer case to a safe position within the engine bay or fuel filler cap recess, to prevent water from being sucked in through the OEM breather caps already in place.
5) A 2nd battery with charging regulator, to be placed in lieu of the sandard air filter box (snorkel obligatory) for Heavy Duty requirements.
You will notice these are all items readily available, in one form or another, by 3rd party manufacturers.
What I'd like to see is Tata acknowledging the great capabilities of the Safari and the success she has had in Europe (Italy and Spain, most certainly!) and help the Enthusiast Clubs give even better publicity of a 4x4 we all love by ... making our lives a little easier...
If I want to "snorkelize" my Safari, I first have to find a snorkel that will fit my car (none are listed as compatible to the Safari), then I have to pray, beg and grovel with the local DOT authjorities to approve it, because there is no official Manufacturer's authorisation, and I'm helpless...
Thanks for reading all this, I wish I could drive my way to India (can't just yet on 20 days' summer break, 20 days just not enough) I know my Safari could most certainly make it !!!
Again, thanks for your time, and sorry for the looong post, but I just had to get this message through.
Maurizio Pescatori aka "Tatazucca"
this is where I work
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and this is who we are
Tata Club Italia click on the link, click on "X Raduno" and scroll down to see the links to the pics