[ddriver]

Originally Posted by channelv

We Indians with cost still being one of the biggest criteria don't expect GP to come with a 150bhp engine but FIAT could have given an option of T-Jet for GP Sport.

There are many cars which if planned properly would have been a success for the company.
1) Chevy SRV diesel (magnum engine and a good gearbox) - Nobody complained about its looks.
2) Lancer with a 90bhp diesel engine - Same shell and similar suspension
3) Swift with a 1.6L petrol - Lot of people would have just loved some more power in Swift.
There are many more examples if you think about it.

These vehicle could have been released by their respective company without much of extra investments. I feel FIAT also could miss out the goodwill and pedigree it had with its hot hatch Palio 1.6 GTX, if they do not release T-Jet on GP.

As quoted by GTO in another thread that "The Linea is VFM even with a marginal price hike. However, hiking the price of the Punto is a BIG no-no! The market isn't ready to accept a premium-priced hatch from Fiat, as the sales already show."
which is quite realistic as per indian market where if fiat decides to come up GP with T-jet engie, there will be eventually no takers for that. And no company do business for a marginal sales. May be coming up with an much improved engine in next 3-4 years makes much more sense in indian market

[GTO]

which is quite realistic as per indian market where if fiat decides to come up GP with T-jet engie, there will be eventually no takers for that.

Actually, wouldn't a turbo-petrol be cheaper than a turbo-diesel?

[brar.arsh]

Originally Posted by GTO

Actually, wouldn't a turbo-petrol be cheaper than a turbo-diesel?

Ya may be.. I think you know better as you are playing with cars for long, and we have just entered the playground!!

[gomzi]

Originally Posted by GTO

Actually, wouldn't a turbo-petrol be cheaper than a turbo-diesel?

With the current pricing of Linea's it will be cheaper. Ex-showroom thane prices (Rs.) are approx:
Linea Petrol 1.4 Emotion Pk - 7.7L
Linea Diesel 1.3 Emotion Pk - 8.75L

So a TJet will be dearer by atleast Rs. 70-80k (and thats being optimistic). So price will be atleast Rs. 8.4L and above.

I doubt if it will go all the way upto 8.75L though. So for those not requiring a diesel, the Linea TJet will be super VFM!

Hope Fiat come out with this kind of pricing. TJet migh set the cat among the pigeons so to say.

[channelv]

Originally Posted by GTO

Actually, wouldn't a turbo-petrol be cheaper than a turbo-diesel?

Hope people come out of the shell and buy them. Its like the way some people have a hesitation to accept an ATM, they know its better but still would prefer the age old banking. No offense to anybody.

@GTO Read Somewhere, Fiat Bravo to be released by end of 2010 which is brought as a CBU. Any news if the engine will also be shipped? If not can we expect that engine (1.9L Diesel, 150bhp@4000, 305NM@2000) to be released in Linea? Wishful thinking?

[asdon]

Originally Posted by channelv

@GTO Read Somewhere, Fiat Bravo to be released by end of 2010 which is brought as a CBU. Any news if the engine will also be shipped? If not can we expect that engine (1.9L Diesel, 150bhp@4000, 305NM@2000) to be released in Linea? Wishful thinking?

Fiat Bravo link was there in Fiat India website, now they have removed it. I had asked about it to a local Fiat dealer, if to go by him Bravo will cost at least 16 L + on Indian road... am not sure how many takers are there if that is the price though its not confirmed news.

Now from this year Energy EF level will be mentioned in all cars, so 1.9L Diesel should not get more than 3(max) on FE, how many takers?

[theragingbull]

Press release: Fiat at the Auto Expo
http://www.fiat-india.com/admin/News...xpo%202010.pdf

New Delhi, January 6, 2010: After enjoying a successful 2009 in the Indian auto sector, Fiat,today at the Auto Expo 2010,
showcased its new variants in grand fashion.
Having already set a high standard with its unveilings at Auto Expo 2008, Fiat did not disappoint this time either as
they showcased – Fiat 500 by Diesel, Linea Dualogic Transmission, Linea T-Jet, Grande Punto Natural Power,
Grande Punto Sports and Grande Punto Trendz
For the first time ever, The Indian consumers were given the opportunity to see the new Fiat 500
by Diesel, the denim brand styled show car, up close and personal. This showstopper is the
perfect combination of high fashion and steady performance. With the design of the car being
attributed to Renzo Rosso – Italy’s leading haute-couture designer, the Fiat 500 by Diesel
caused more than just a batting of the eyelids. The car, inspired by the leading European fashion
brand – ‘Diesel’, comes in 3 funky colours- Diesel Green, Diesel Black and Diesel Bronze. In
addition to this, the car also sports unique 16 inch Diesel logo alloy wheels, yellow painted brake
calipers, Diesel side moldings, flared rear view mirrors and eye-catching front end ‘whiskers’.
The car’s chic exterior look extends to the interiors as well, as exemplified by the Diesel brand
denim cloth upholstery (with yellow stitching). The basic Sport version also has a Diesel logo on
the dashboard and on the gear lever knob. The Fiat 500 by Diesel is available in any of three
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engine sizes (1.2 liter 69 HP, 1.3 liter Multijet 75 HP with DPF and 1.4 liter 16V 100 HP) coupled
to 5-speed or 6-speed manual transmission
Along with the Fiat 500 by Diesel, Fiat’s other possible future variants were also very well
recieved. The Auto Expo, India’s biggest auto show, has always been a great platform to
showcase upcoming company products and plans. Taking full advantage of this fact, Fiat’s grand
show to unveil these variants is bound to spark considerable consumer interest on the company’s
upcoming plans.
On showcasing the new variants at the Auto Expo 2010, Mr. Rajeev Kapoor, President & CEO,
Fiat India said,” Fiat India enjoyed a highly successful 2009 having achieved impressive numbers
in overall sales. With showcasing these new variants, we want to send out a message that we are
ready to take the consumer experience to the next level. These variants are a mark of our
prowess in technology and commitment to innovation, youth and the environment. We are very
excited about these promising new variants and hope to spark similar enthusiasm amongst the
Indian consumer as well.”
The Linea, launched in January last year, has been a great success in the Indian auto market.
Within one year, the classy sedan, sold over 13,000 units and continues to rake in the numbers.
Now, along with the popular existent model, Indian consumers may also have access to the Linea
Dualogic Transmission and the Linea T-Jet.
Linea Dualogic Transmission will have a built in transmission system that allows the user to
switch between automatic & manual modes while also having the choice of using both the
automatic and manual modes. The variant offers around 10% more mileage than a traditional
Automatic Transmission and around 3-5% mileage improvement over a Manual Transmission.
The Linea T-Jet on the other hand is the latest generation of petrol engines from the Fiat stable.
The variant is higher powered as compared to the existing model and has a 110 PS
Turbocharged Petrol Engine. To further add to the exciting prospect of a high powered Linea, the
T-Jet will be available in a ravishing ‘red-purple’ shade that is sure to make heads turn.
The Grande Punto, launched in June of last year, has also been very well received and sold over
10000 units since its launch. Now, the Grande Punto may be made available in three variants –
Grande Punto Natural Power, Grande Punto Sports and Grande Punto Trendz.
With the Grande Punto Natural Power, Fiat is out to show that class and style need not
necessarily come at the environment’s expense. The Grande Punto Natural Power, the new dual
fuel version of Fiat, will sport a bi-fuel engine (petrol/CNG) with negligible CO2 emissions. At the
same time, with CNG being substantially cheaper and more eco-friendly than conventional fuels,
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the car will prove to be a real ‘cash saver’. Thanks to Fiat’s superior technology, a user will be
able to drive the Punto Natural Power for more than 1000km without having to refuel. This path
breaking technology that comes from the Fiat stable will provide better performance as well as
safety to the user. There is also no compromise on the boot space of the car as the CNG cylinder
will be placed in an innovative packaging below the boot. Fiat is currently the largest selling brand
of CNG powered cars in Europe with around 200,000 units sold in 2009. Upon launching in India,
this technology and innovation is sure to change the way consumers look at bi fuel engines.
While the Punto Natural Power addresses the important issue of a clean environment, the
Grande Punto Sport and Grande Punto Trendz are Fiat’s gift to the cool and modern Indian
youth.
Aimed primarily at the younger generation, the Grande Punto Sport will come with a number of
cool add-ons to surely make the user the talk of the town. This variant is a top end model of the
Grande Punto range, sporting a 1.3 Multijet engine with a 90 HP power output. To make it more
appealing to the Indian youth, the car will also sport a funky electric sunroof, a rear spoiler, sport
red decals and dual colour interior leather seats. With these exciting add ons, the user is sure to
feel exhilarated and ready to take on the world.
The Grande Punto Trendz is a limited edition variant fired up with the powerful 1.2 FIRE petrol
engine. The car’s Active Plus option comes in bright and vibrant external colours with sporty
decals. The car’s interior has been tastefully done to compliment the bold exterior with a hightech
CD/MP3/ FM audio system also added to the trendy mix.
All these variants could be available in the near future with Fiat evaluating them for introduction
into the Indian market. With these variants, Fiat can further consolidate its position as a
technological powerhouse while at the same time showing its commitment to innovation, youth
and the environment.
The showcasing of these new variants comes on the back of a ground breaking year for Fiat
India. In the last year, the brand launched two of its flagship cars – the Linea and the Grande
Punto in a ‘larger than life’ manner. The launch of these cars will consolidate Fiat’s position as a
brand of high class and style. In addition to this, the cars’ great looks and superior handling also
received rave reviews from auto experts and consumers alike.
These grand launches were then closely followed by the launch of ‘Fiat First’– a comprehensive
and world class service program for Fiat consumers. With the launch of Fiat First, customers
could now avail of 24X7 roadside assistance that made the Fiat experience a completely hassle
free one. Thanks to the launch of the product, consumers could now enjoy – world class roadside
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assistance, industry leading warranty coverage, benchmark reliability and ease of availability of
competitively priced genuine spare parts.
The program also marked an important milestone in the evolution of Fiat in India. With this
program, Fiat could now showcase their strong network of 99 dealerships offering 105 point of
sales spanning across 77 cities in the country.
Fiat India ended the year on a high note with ‘Fiat Diesel Drives India’ - an epic pan India drive
spanning over 10,000 km and passing through 16 states of India. Flagged off on 27th October 09
from their Ranjangaon plant, the drive gave journalists from top auto journals, electronic
channels, publications and onlines the chance to take 4 of Fiat’s MULTIJET diesel offerings- the
Linea, Grande Punto, Palio and Fiat 500 across India on a true test of endurance. The drive gave
Fiat both the perfect opportunity to showcase itself as the pioneer of diesel technology in India as
well as a chance to show off its expansive dealer network.
On the back of a spectacular 2009 and with the showcasing of their new variants, Fiat India has
now laid down a strong platform for their ambitious plans for the coming future. Indian consumers
– Welcome to the new age of style and technology.

[asdon]

I just saw this PDF in Fiat website, no body mentioned the GP Trendz varient!!! Ok its petrol but they have made some changes to it I guess, if some body got to see this one, give an update...

[vulpine101]

Slightly OT.
This is the largest thread in this section (in terms of number of replies and views)of any manufacturer.


This clearly shows how much expectations people have on FIAT. There are many people like me, waiting for good quality cars from FIAT with some good engines.

[asdon]

Originally Posted by vulpine101

Slightly OT.
This is the largest thread in this section (in terms of number of replies and views)of any manufacturer.

The Tata Motor thread has more replies and Views than this one...
but we are waiting for a stunning one to get from Fiat ...

[Amartya]

Originally Posted by asdon

The Tata Motor thread has more replies and Views than this one...
but we are waiting for a stunning one to get from Fiat ...

True, in fact the stunning ones from Fiat are actually here, plonk in the T-jet in the Linea and it's a "stunner". Grande Punto? well it already looks stunning, if and when the 90VGT finds it's way into it (need confirmation whether the Punto sport is indeed going to be produced), it'll be a stunner for sure.

OT: the point raised about popularity of threads => think in terms of Tata-Fiat

[p'arth]

Originally Posted by vulpine101

There are many people like me, waiting for good quality cars from FIAT with some good engines.

+1 to that. And improved A.S.S too.

[channelv]

@ GTO - Seems like we are not the only one who got confused with the power output of GP. Even the FIAT newsletter says 90HP for sport variant

[deepakhon]

Originally Posted by channelv

@ GTO - Seems like we are not the only one who got confused with the power output of GP. Even the FIAT newsletter says 90HP for sport variant

Maybe, it is rated at 90 ps now. Even the Manza is rated at 90 ps whereas the same engine in Linea is rated at 86 ps.

[mustang89]

Originally Posted by asdon

I just saw this PDF in Fiat website, no body mentioned the GP Trendz varient!!! Ok its petrol but they have made some changes to it I guess, if some body got to see this one, give an update...

it was the stickered variant,thats it.