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Originally Posted by aaggoswami
2) Can you share more details with us ? And which brands are not giving engineering ? In what matter ? |
I never said that any brand is not giving engineering. The point is there are so many Maruti fan-ism just because of irrationality.Please tell me one Maruti product that sells the most just because of its features.
Swift? But just check the interiors on the Swift.Most people think of the engine and happily forget it. The Indica Petrol was by feature easily comparable, for day to day use , at a good price too! but the people went ahead and bought Swift. Today you say Honda does not have low cost of ownership based on Indian experience with the Civic and the City. While the Jazz is something Sid can talk about( hope he does!) , we are left with notions of cost of ownership.
Today the secrets of low-cost product design are out. The Figo is about to launch. Now the naysayers will say the Petrol has only 70 bhp. But then the Swift never had the best bhp ratings. But I say this product will succeed.So when a product succeeds it is always not the best product but the best combination of marketing , timing of launch , getting the advertising and positioning and pricing really right, building up the image correctly , and so and so forth. If Ford can do it, Honda can. Localisation is key of course.They have to work on that. (Maybe they don't want to?)
Take the price aside, Honda products are excellent. Just their premium attitude takes them to some extent but not all the way. Maybe they do not
want to dominate the market like MUL does.Which is where I have a problem. I may not even buy this kei-car. But I can say confidently a lot of Indians would. Do you know how many Fabias sell in the market simply because Indians buy thinking (Wow, Skoda at below ten lakhs!). Of course
the Honda Jazz has not succeeded but there is a point, and a weakness which the marketing campaign-guy exploits.
To be as frank as possible with you, what motivated me to put up this thread is - ok , this product looks right for India , then why aren't Honda thinking about this. Now to the probabilities.
Ok , they may have thought and dismissed it, and then decided to do a "made in India, made for India" or rather "making in India, making for India" with their concept.The problem is their small car will take so much time coming that Maruti will by then dominate so much that it will become another Hero Honda-like company - they can do whatever they want and still sell what they make. This is where Tata for example is different. They try to challenge themselves constantly. Now the Manza is wonderful to drive and maintain but is disparaged for baseless reasons. Maruti just does not put enough work into the products. We know now much engineering was done on the DZire. The Suzuki's engineering guy would have had a few sleepless nights since he anticipated the Dakota-like behaviour on full load, but he would have been silenced by the sales numbers.So for MUL so long as the cars sell, nobody needs to do anything about the deficiency as it makes the Dzire looks like an aeroplane. Cool!
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3) Agree with you here. I10 is highly over-rated.
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Glad to know we think alike in this aspect.
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In which areas ? Plastic quality ? And have you looked at cost of ownership ?
Honda has the best engines but not the best overall packages. Also they are more expensive to maintain than the other two brands you have mentioned.
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Their engines are as reliable as Toyotas , and they always have been great to with excellent performance and without breaking down. Just ask the many americans who buy Civics and Fits (and even the ugly looking Elements!).Atleast for an American, one of the factors is cost of ownership.
There is overall package for you.Now read on.
They have the American market because they sell inexpensively and cost of ownership is low for the Americans.
They sell in the Jap Kei-car market because they can make good and low cost(relatively).(Ugly is a very relative term, thus irrelevant to the discussion). Now India is a market which comes somewhere in between.That's where I see a market for cars like these.
Maruti and Tata have made it to the ULC (ultra low cost) market. The difference we will see from Automotive giants like Toyota and Honda is a hopefully better overall experience thanks to their extensive experience in the market and bringing successful products in the world market.
For the customer (we are them and we represent their voice in many ways)
it is always the more, the merrier.So long as we get the right products at the right prices,we win.