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Originally Posted by supremeBaleno You should be given credit for atleast 1 thing - consistency. You did not have anything logical to contribute to that thread and you have repeated the same on this thread too. Thanks.
And you are right. The customer surely is king. And how royally they have shown it to Honda with the Jazz. And with the Civic, Accord and CRV.
BTW, I did not know that Vtec added to reliability also, apart from increasing power, FE, or is it both FE & power simultaneously. Given how it is projected as the Holy Grail, I am sure it must also be helping better the handling, ride and interiors also of all Honda cars. Thanks for enlightening us - it was only your presence that was missing on this thread and preventing us from coming to a conclusion on why the Jazz tanked. |
It's no use debating on this subject, because, comments like yours (without proper authenticity) are without substance, biased towards a particular brand, no matter which thread, and only thrown to rudicule other's views. And, sorry bro, but you are not the person to judge if I am contributing to this discussion. The moderators have their trigger happy hand at work for such purposes. So, peace bro, and leave the sarcasm, frustration and bullying out of this discussion because that is NOT contributing!
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Originally Posted by civic-sense I for one is not yet a huge fan of the Vtec, at least the one in the Civic. I still would like to drive something with good low-end and mid-range torque. What the heck, in the begining, I even thought that it is underpowered. I had a S10 which I never used to revv beyond 4000rpm, and still drive really fast. With the Vitec, I have to revv past 3000rpm to get some decent performance. S10 after 4000rpm is boomy, but the vtec is silent enough even at 6000rpm. The beauty of the vtec is that it gives what you want, to both the common man and the enthusiast. Keep the revvs below 3000rpm and you get excellent FE, and if you want performance just revv it. |
Yes, for congested city crawling/traffic, the Vtec may not be the ideal car to drive, but it is not as bad as it is! The 1.2 motor in Jazz might sound mediocre for the size, but, it is peppy and I can easily say, the best in terms of driveability and refinement in its class..
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Originally Posted by civic-sense Lesser price please. But not to the extend of pricing along with the Swift. A 1L price cut would bring in more sales, and at the same time would not dilute the brand value. Their latest strategy (of providing more goodies, without altering the price would not work). People would not miss the lack of alloys, ACC and the fogs. People didn't miss it even in the 10L sedan. |
I don't think Honda will do much to bring down the price in Jazz, and if they do, it will be a first! May be in next generation, like they did in NHC..
Not sound defending or agreeing with the Jazz pricing in India, but if you compare the price of similarly equipped Jazz elsewhere, the price here is pretty much in league..
UK Jazz 1.2 i-Vtec (basic) is priced showroom at ~ £11,058.00 (roughly Rs. 7.74 lacs) with all disc brakes, no alloys, no audio controls.
Australia Jazz 1.3 i-vtec (GLi) priced showroom at ~ $16,990 (Rs. 7.13 lacs) with all disc brakes, no alloys, no audio controls
However, in US, only 1.5 motor is offered and the base variant includes side airbags as well, but no alloys and priced around $14,490 (roughly Rs. 6.5 lacs)..
The point is, the pricing of equivalent spec. Jazz here (Rs. 7.11 lacs ex-showroom Delhi) does seem to align (more or less) with the pricing level in other countries. It is just that in markets like India where price is very sensitive in hatch segment, the likes of Jazz, SRV etc. do not provide the VFM tag, and hence, finds less takers. But yes, a price-cut of a lac, and it would be a different story altogether!
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American Honda has been named best all-round vehicle producer for the fourth consecutive year, according to the Automaker Report Cards published in Consumer Reports’ 2010 Annual Auto Issue in the U.S.
Honda was named alongside Subaru as the most reliable vehicle in Consumer Report’s predicted-reliability ratings, with an overall score of 77 out of 100 points.
In the same edition, the Honda Fit (called the Jazz in Australia) was named joint leader in Consumer Report’s new-car best values list, beating more than 280 cars in eight categories. The Fit (Jazz), which was also named best value small car, earned a value score of 2.08, representing more than twice the value of the average model.
The value of the Honda vehicle was judged according to a combination of performance, utility and reliability for money, considering total owner costs over the first five years.
Quoted from Consumer Reports Cars Blog: 2010 Consumer Reports automaker report cards |
What a contradiction! elswhere, Jazz/Fit is the segment leader, and here, just 233 sales this month... Just shows that by bringing Jazz in India, they had opened a pandora box...