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Originally Posted by Dr.AD No, cancellation is not a good property. For example, if a car has very bad score on performance, then what use is a very good score on safety (or vice versa)? |
Yes, the goal of the car ranking is to find the best compromise between all the parameters mentioned - and that's why what you say makes sense.
But some have pointed in the small car thread that - many don't care much about safety (chauffeur driven cars) or performance (me, for example) or features (some people just want low price & running costs). Basically, many mentioned that the "Safety" rankings in the small car thread was unfairly harsh on non-airbag cars - and hence skewed the results in favour of cars equipped with airbags.
I expect your "normalization" ranking to be even harsher to cars with poor safety or performance or driveability
In my ranking table, lets say there is a car that scores poorly on performance but very well on other aspects (like Punto MJD for example). Poor performance is a deal breaker for a person who cannot compromise on that. And after looking at my ranking table, he could look at the next car in the ranking (Ford Figo or Vista) - which might score average rankings in all the parameters, but still get close to Punto.
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Well, it can be. Let us say we give 1 point each for having critical safety equipment such as airbags, ABS, rear disc brakes etc. Then all cars which have all of these will get 1 point on normalized scale, all cars which have none of these will get 0, and any car which has a few of these will get score in-between 0 and 1, depending on how many equipments it has.
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aah OK! And when it comes to equipment, we can consider power windows, power steering, AC, central locking etc as "critical" equipment
hahaha!
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By the way, Smartcat, please do not misunderstand me. I did not mean to criticize it in any way, but just wanted to share some thoughts on what we call "scope for further improvement".
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Refer to FAQ on the first page of this thread
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Originally Posted by dragstar The diesel engines now days (specially the verna) are very sturdy and need to be serviced every 10,000km's. |
Fiat's engines have a 15,000 km service interval!
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Originally Posted by trrk With proper adjustment of seats and steering, I have managed to find a comfortable position where the absence of dead pedal does not bring about any discomfort. |
I have discomfort (ankle pain) in cars without dead pedal if I drive continuously for 2 - 3 hours. Having you tried long highway drives in your Manza?
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Originally Posted by benzinblut @smartcat: are you also gonna add points for features offered? |
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Originally Posted by vikrantj @smartcat . I think price wise ranking doesn't seem fair since the price depends on lot of factors.. |
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Originally Posted by nkrishnap Very good work there smartcat. Points for the features and equipment list for each of these cars also makes sense since the cost is close to a million bucks. |
Of course - we will have a features & Safety equipment round. All the old generation cars will climb down the rankings to make way for more modern cars.
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Originally Posted by Vik0728 Personally, I would go with Vikrantj's view on the comparison. May be these sedans should not be pitted against one another, atleast in the price department. |
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Originally Posted by vikrantj @Vik0728 , But the issue is when I look at the rankings table as of now Ford Ikon seems to a better car overall than Honda City . |
Now the table wouldn't have looked so odd if I had first started off with price, then running cost, then driveability & then performance.
Right now, Marina petrol is above Cedia - it basically means, for the price, Tatas have fitted the Marina with a pretty decent engine. And hence is a good contender for top place among old gen petrol cars.
Meanwhile, Cedia comes with full black leather interiors, in-dash GPS navigation system with DVD playback, dual airbags, ABS, EBD, 195/60 R15 tyres, powerful brakes & alloys - while Marina doesn't. This bit of data is yet to be captured in the rankings table. Will happen in the next few rounds.
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Originally Posted by Gilead As of now, the study indicates that if you want the max bang for the buck in terms of performance and driveability without caring too much for features, the Ikon TDCi is indeed much better than the Honda City and its elder brother the Fiesta. |
Wah wah! I couldn't have said it better.
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Originally Posted by ACM Don't write off the Manza, I see it clearly finishing on top, considering the features (and space) it brings to the table, with it's price points, it should leave the Dzire behind. |
Coming to subjective aspects, I wonder if something can be done about Manza's looks - snazzy black alloys on a black car perhaps? Not saying Manza looks ugly, but it looks a bit disproportionate from some angles.