Maruti plans to relaunch Alto with 1000cc K-series engine

aaggoswami · 26th July 2010, 23:10

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Originally Posted by romeomidhun

Alto K10 LXi is 7Kg and VXi is 50Kg heavier than current LXi. Expected launch date: Aug 5.

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Originally Posted by Sutripta

Relieved to know that, but still puzzled. Isn't the K series lighter than the iron block F series?

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Sutripta

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Originally Posted by romeomidhun

K-series is lighter, but the bigger body (extra length of 125mm) adds to the total weight, I think.

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Originally Posted by Sutripta

Wheelbase being the same, increase of weight in the overhang!

Also what could there be in the Vx to account for 43 Kgs?

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Sutripta

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Originally Posted by xingamazon

Now I am confused, how can the length increase. I thought it was the same platform as the current Alto. Is there something that I am missing.

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Originally Posted by Sutripta

K10 is wider. Engine bay length increased to accommodate that. Wheelbase remains the same.

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Sutripta

1) The K10 unit weighs in at 47 kg dry. Not aware of what is weight of F8D.

2) The current Alto was able to accomodate the larger 1064cc version F10D without any modifications. But to accommodate a less than 1000cc K10 the front end needs some change.

Similar is the case with Estilo also. Estilo had to undergo a front end job to accommodate the smaller than F10D K series motor.

3) The overall increase in length, bigger rims, stiffened up suspension, etc. can contribute to increased weight. But overall the power to weight ration will be good enough. IMO, the K10 equipped Alto has the potential to settle in the Original Zen Zone. A small but good motor, reasonable space, good visibibility, reasonable boot, good handling and ride will be better than Zen. A smart move, but I hope the over lap will not kill this K10 Alto.

ashutoshb · 26th July 2010, 23:47

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Originally Posted by SirAlec

Err! isn't fabia a small car with a bloated price and pathetic engine.

BTW this thread is to discuss Alto with a new look/engine

He's talking about the VW connection here. All future Suzukis are likely to use VW diesel engines.

fx45 · 27th July 2010, 12:52

some more scoop, new Alto gets same interiors, new instrument cluster with cool looking chromed ring dials a digital trip meter, swift style gear knob and better quality switchgear (wiper stalks etc) The basic dashboard style remains the same.

supremeBaleno · 27th July 2010, 13:38

So, there will be the following variants of Alto on sale ?
800cc : LX, LXi
1000cc: LXi, VXi

To avoid having LXi trims in both engine-variants and thus confusion for buyer, could they not have named the new variants as VXi and ZXi ? This would have made the range like LX, LXi, VXi & ZXi, with last 2 being K-series.

Any idea of what features are in K10-VXi over the K10-LXi ?

HammerHead · 27th July 2010, 14:02

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Originally Posted by supremeBaleno

This would have made the range like LX, LXi, VXi & ZXi, with last 2 being K-series.

I think Maruti is not willing to give airbags & ABS as an option in Alto/Alto K-Series hence no ZXi. If they do provide these two and other features normally seen in their ZXi cars, sales guys will have tough time selling AStar.

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Any idea of what features are in K10-VXi over the K10-LXi ?

IMO features will be inline with VXi variants of other small cars.

fx45 · 27th July 2010, 14:04

source: VXI K10 has front power windows.

streetlife · 27th July 2010, 14:04

Saw this couple of days ago on NH 8.
A-Star with an Alto Badge. Probably one they import outside country as alto.

fx45 · 27th July 2010, 14:16

oh that's a rare find, yes A-Star is being sold as Alto in other markets as well as Celerio in some south american markets.

anachronix · 27th July 2010, 14:20

^^ or rather, A-Star was more of a replacement for Alto in other markets!

Sankar · 27th July 2010, 14:51

India --- EU/UK
800 --- Alto
Zen --- Alto
Alto --- Alto
AStar --- Alto

Sutripta · 27th July 2010, 20:58

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Originally Posted by aaggoswami

3) The overall increase in length, bigger rims, stiffened up suspension, etc. can contribute to increased weight. But overall the power to weight ration will be good enough. IMO, the K10 equipped Alto has the potential to settle in the Original Zen Zone. A small but good motor, reasonable space, good visibibility, reasonable boot, good handling and ride will be better than Zen. A smart move, but I hope the over lap will not kill this K10 Alto.

My concern is not with the power to weight. (and I sincerely hope it's not rationed!) I might be in a minority of one, but I think the Alto Vx was a half developed car. Pocket rocket - yes, but with a major handling issue. Also, traditionally Marutis have been undertyred, and ridiculously tall geared, in the interests of FE, and I suppose cost. Hope this time Maruti has done a more thorough job. Of defining their target clientele, and delivering a product for him.

Anyway, no point speculating with the launch just days away.

Regards
Sutripta

longhorn · 28th July 2010, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Sutripta

My concern is not with the power to weight. (and I sincerely hope it's not rationed!) I might be in a minority of one, but I think the Alto Vx was a half developed car. Pocket rocket - yes, but with a major handling issue. Also, traditionally Marutis have been undertyred, and ridiculously tall geared, in the interests of FE, and I suppose cost. Hope this time Maruti has done a more thorough job. Of defining their target clientele, and delivering a product for him.

Anyway, no point speculating with the launch just days away.

Regards
Sutripta

The power to weight ratio would be the benchmark in this segment so no qualms on that front. In fact it would be better than the Vx 1.1. The bhp is higher than the Vx even though they have reduced the cc.

The handling issue is something which I have felt in the Alto Lx after driving the M 800 5 speed. The 5 speed sits lower than you average 800 which does a world of good for its handling. While driving the Alto for the first time I too felt a bit uncomfortable carving corners on it when compared to the 5 speed but got used to it later. I guess the higher profile tyres are the main culprit here.

I hope they drop the height in the Alto K10 as that would boost the handling by a good measure.

sidindica · 28th July 2010, 12:09

launch is on 4th august in delhi.

clevermax · 28th July 2010, 12:18

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Originally Posted by fx45

source: VXI K10 has front power windows.

That's bad. They should provide 4 power windows and then call it a VXi. But this car's gonna sell like hot cakes even without any power windows and Maruti knows that for sure.

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Originally Posted by longhorn

I hope they drop the height in the Alto K10 as that would boost the handling by a good measure.

I don't think so. How many Alto owners really care about handling?

anekho · 28th July 2010, 12:26

Hmm.. Alto K10 looks really tempting! We've been on the lookout for a cheap car to use when we're in the country and this might just cut it! And performance is decent too

If it handles like an M800 I'll be happy!

27th July 2010, 12:52	#228
fx45 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,823 Thanked: 384 Times	some more scoop, new Alto gets same interiors, new instrument cluster with cool looking chromed ring dials a digital trip meter, swift style gear knob and better quality switchgear (wiper stalks etc) The basic dashboard style remains the same.
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27th July 2010, 13:38	#229
supremeBaleno Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chennai / Kochi Posts: 5,546 Thanked: 2,698 Times View My Garage	So, there will be the following variants of Alto on sale ? 800cc : LX, LXi 1000cc: LXi, VXi To avoid having LXi trims in both engine-variants and thus confusion for buyer, could they not have named the new variants as VXi and ZXi ? This would have made the range like LX, LXi, VXi & ZXi, with last 2 being K-series. Any idea of what features are in K10-VXi over the K10-LXi ?
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27th July 2010, 14:04	#231
fx45 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,823 Thanked: 384 Times	source: VXI K10 has front power windows.
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streetlife BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Delhi, India Posts: 219 Thanked: 22 Times View My Garage	Saw this couple of days ago on NH 8. A-Star with an Alto Badge. Probably one they import outside country as alto. Attached Thumbnails
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27th July 2010, 14:16	#233
fx45 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: mumbai Posts: 1,823 Thanked: 384 Times	oh that's a rare find, yes A-Star is being sold as Alto in other markets as well as Celerio in some south american markets.
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anachronix Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madras Posts: 3,286 Thanked: 1,336 Times View My Garage	^^ or rather, A-Star was more of a replacement for Alto in other markets!
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27th July 2010, 14:51	#235
Sankar Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Location Posts: 5,766 Thanked: 9,054 Times	India --- EU/UK 800 --- Alto Zen --- Alto Alto --- Alto AStar --- Alto
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28th July 2010, 12:09	#238
sidindica Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 4,892 Thanked: 8,106 Times	launch is on 4th august in delhi.
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28th July 2010, 12:26	#240
anekho Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: . Posts: 1,995 Thanked: 684 Times	Hmm.. Alto K10 looks really tempting! We've been on the lookout for a cheap car to use when we're in the country and this might just cut it! And performance is decent too If it handles like an M800 I'll be happy!
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