Did Hyundai ever offer a Santro ECO A/T?

Mpower · 29th May 2010, 18:48

Did Hyundai ever offer a Santro ECO (lpg) with Automatic transmission ?

We talk about diesel automatic hatchback being a unexplored but promising segment for obvious reasons.

But this car mayhave just be the next best thing. I know the AT Santro was dropped after the i-10 came out.

rajushank84 · 29th May 2010, 21:14

I dont think they did. How about WagonR? I think the auto option was stopped before Duo was introduced, wasn't it?

Vid6639 · 29th May 2010, 23:44

Mpower, I have a feeling it has to do with power.

Due to the AT boxes in Santro and i-10 there is a substantial drop in performance.

With LPG this is even more.

I am guessing that is also the reason that the i20 1.2L Kappa does not have AT option.

In India underpowered AT and low FE is a big no no.

Anand123 · 30th May 2010, 00:22

No, the Santro ECO was available only with manual transmission.

ScorpMan · 30th May 2010, 01:43

What about the i10 AT? Is it available with the CNG option.

Simhi · 30th May 2010, 05:33

@vid6639 - you wrote "Due to the AT boxes in Santro and i-10 there is a substantial drop in performance." Kindly elaborate what you mean by drop in performance. Do you mean that cars with AT have lower performance compared to MT ones? What is the technical reason for it?

@Scorpman - I am not aware of i10 AT with CNG option.

theMAG · 30th May 2010, 09:35

They didnt. I think even the LPG version was launched as a reluctant response to the Wagon R LPG.

Keychain · 30th May 2010, 12:52

Once i happened to drove a santro petrol AT & there isn't any power or pickup. so as vid6639 said i have the same feeling that there will be a huge power loss with LPG AT.

@ScorpMan
No CNG in AT i10.

rohanjf · 30th May 2010, 14:18

I guess it has to do with torque. Petrol outputs less torque compared to diesel. LPG's torque is even less. That's why, loss in peformance. What say?

tanwaramit · 30th May 2010, 14:24

there is CNG in i10 fitted by dealer (as is the practice).

However, its only for IRDE engine and not for kappa on which CNG is fitted. And AT box for i10 is available only in Kappa engine so no AT with CNG in i10.

IRDE Engine - CNG
Kappa Engine - No CNG

IRDE Engine - No AT
Kappa Engine - AT available.

Anand123 · 30th May 2010, 16:17

I think the main reason why diesel hatchbacks are not launched with A/T is that, people who buy diesel hatchbacks are more concerned about running costs. A/T will reduce FE and will result in more running cost.

4x4addict · 30th May 2010, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Simhi

@vid6639 - you wrote "Due to the AT boxes in Santro and i-10 there is a substantial drop in performance." Kindly elaborate what you mean by drop in performance. Do you mean that cars with AT have lower performance compared to MT ones? What is the technical reason for it?

Simhi: There is not a substantial drop in performance as claimed. However, there is a performance issue with Santro AT. Firstly, it is a four speed as opposed to the 5 Speed in the manual. Hence there is some compromise in the gear selection as compared to the 5 speed MT.

However, the issue that generally affects all traditional ATs is that there is no mechanical linkage between the engine and gearbox. The power is transferred by the torque converter that churns the AT fluid. Hence there is always certain amount of power loss in an AT as compared to the manual.

The new generation DSG type gearboxes actually have a clutch and hence mechanical contact from engine to gearbox.

Mpower · 30th May 2010, 21:08

My theory is that people are not buying AT due to low FE. LPG/CNG can compensate for that.

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Originally Posted by Anand123

I think the main reason why diesel hatchbacks are not launched with A/T is that, people who buy diesel hatchbacks are more concerned about running costs. A/T will reduce FE and will result in more running cost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vid6639

In India underpowered AT and low FE is a big no no.

I understand there is a power deficit but you just have to mash that pedal into the carpet to get going.

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Originally Posted by 4x4addict

However, the issue that generally affects all traditional ATs is that there is no mechanical linkage between the engine and gearbox. The power is transferred by the torque converter that churns the AT fluid.

Not anymore. All new non-DSG ATs have lockup mechanisms.

CARDEEP · 31st May 2010, 11:10

Santro AT was available in the past. When I purchased my Santro Xing XG Manual, at that time it was available, in 3-speed ratio. But, it was slow due to old AT tech & also heavy on the fuel. Moreover, AT was Rs.50K premium over my car & Rs.30K premium over the top-end (XS) at that time.

However, I have not heard anything about Eco (CNG/LPG) AT model. It could be a aftermarket fitment by the seller (delaer/ previous owner). Please check whether the RC is updated for the same, & go for the LPG one as the power loss is negligible in LPG as compared to CNG, IMO.

Mpower · 31st May 2010, 17:06

Please check again. Santro was 4 speed AT from day one. It was the Marutis that were 3 speed.

29th May 2010, 18:48	#1
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,729 Times View My Garage	Did Hyundai ever offer a Santro ECO A/T? Did Hyundai ever offer a Santro ECO (lpg) with Automatic transmission ? We talk about diesel automatic hatchback being a unexplored but promising segment for obvious reasons. But this car mayhave just be the next best thing. I know the AT Santro was dropped after the i-10 came out. Last edited by Mpower : 29th May 2010 at 18:49.
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29th May 2010, 21:14	#2
rajushank84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 1,116 Thanked: 1,097 Times View My Garage	I dont think they did. How about WagonR? I think the auto option was stopped before Duo was introduced, wasn't it?
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29th May 2010, 23:44	#3
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,727 Thanked: 43,454 Times View My Garage	Mpower, I have a feeling it has to do with power. Due to the AT boxes in Santro and i-10 there is a substantial drop in performance. With LPG this is even more. I am guessing that is also the reason that the i20 1.2L Kappa does not have AT option. In India underpowered AT and low FE is a big no no.
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30th May 2010, 00:22	#4
Anand123 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 2,297 Thanked: 5,225 Times	No, the Santro ECO was available only with manual transmission.
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30th May 2010, 01:43	#5
ScorpMan BHPian Join Date: May 2008 Location: DL/PB/HR Posts: 366 Thanked: 132 Times	What about the i10 AT? Is it available with the CNG option.
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30th May 2010, 05:33	#6
Simhi BHPian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pune Posts: 627 Thanked: 1,302 Times	@vid6639 - you wrote "Due to the AT boxes in Santro and i-10 there is a substantial drop in performance." Kindly elaborate what you mean by drop in performance. Do you mean that cars with AT have lower performance compared to MT ones? What is the technical reason for it? @Scorpman - I am not aware of i10 AT with CNG option.
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30th May 2010, 09:35	#7
theMAG Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: May 2006 Location: Avon, CT Posts: 7,217 Thanked: 1,807 Times View My Garage	They didnt. I think even the LPG version was launched as a reluctant response to the Wagon R LPG.
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30th May 2010, 12:52	#8
Keychain BHPian Join Date: May 2010 Location: Chennai Posts: 35 Thanked: Once	Once i happened to drove a santro petrol AT & there isn't any power or pickup. so as vid6639 said i have the same feeling that there will be a huge power loss with LPG AT. @ScorpMan No CNG in AT i10.
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30th May 2010, 14:18	#9
rohanjf Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Adelaide Posts: 1,193 Thanked: 706 Times	I guess it has to do with torque. Petrol outputs less torque compared to diesel. LPG's torque is even less. That's why, loss in peformance. What say?
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30th May 2010, 14:24	#10
tanwaramit Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dilwalon ki Dilli Posts: 1,930 Thanked: 497 Times	there is CNG in i10 fitted by dealer (as is the practice). However, its only for IRDE engine and not for kappa on which CNG is fitted. And AT box for i10 is available only in Kappa engine so no AT with CNG in i10. IRDE Engine - CNG Kappa Engine - No CNG IRDE Engine - No AT Kappa Engine - AT available.
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30th May 2010, 16:17	#11
Anand123 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 2,297 Thanked: 5,225 Times	I think the main reason why diesel hatchbacks are not launched with A/T is that, people who buy diesel hatchbacks are more concerned about running costs. A/T will reduce FE and will result in more running cost.
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31st May 2010, 11:10	#14
CARDEEP Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NCR Posts: 3,247 Thanked: 2,520 Times	Santro AT was available in the past. When I purchased my Santro Xing XG Manual, at that time it was available, in 3-speed ratio. But, it was slow due to old AT tech & also heavy on the fuel. Moreover, AT was Rs.50K premium over my car & Rs.30K premium over the top-end (XS) at that time. However, I have not heard anything about Eco (CNG/LPG) AT model. It could be a aftermarket fitment by the seller (delaer/ previous owner). Please check whether the RC is updated for the same, & go for the LPG one as the power loss is negligible in LPG as compared to CNG, IMO.
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31st May 2010, 17:06	#15
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,729 Times View My Garage	Please check again. Santro was 4 speed AT from day one. It was the Marutis that were 3 speed.
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