[nitrous]

Originally Posted by specialist1968

My friend had booked a swift vdi in December 10 with one of the dealers around. He was told that the car will be delivered in April. Just after 15days, he received a call apparantly from the dealer saying that they have received about 100 cars under a special scheme and will be able to deliver one of these to him if he chooses to buy accessories worth about Rs. 40000.

What is is this special scheme when the customers are standing in que? Have anyone heard of anything like this? Ori is the long que for swift getting dried up? Or the dealer is trying to make hay when the waiting list shines? Should my friend say yes? Please advice.

Accessories worth 40000 bucks = 30,000 bucks in margin money.
Since it's illegal to ask your friend 30K just like that for a quick delivery, they make it look like a 'deal'.
Got it?

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by specialist1968

My friend had booked a swift vdi in December 10 with one of the dealers around. He was told that the car will be delivered in April. Just after 15days, he received a call apparantly from the dealer saying that they have received about 100 cars under a special scheme and will be able to deliver one of these to him if he chooses to buy accessories worth about Rs. 40000.

What is is this special scheme when the customers are standing in que? Have anyone heard of anything like this? Or is the long que for swift getting dried up? Or the dealer is trying to make hay when the waiting list shines? Should my friend say yes? Please advice.

100 cars it seems ! I guess some one has cancelled their booking and he is trying to sell it to your friend! The waiting period is still on for Swift D. And yes, the margin on these accessories are quite huge for the dealer. Ask the dealer to give the car without that *deal*. Probably your friend can ask them to show all those 100 cars as well.

PS: If he wants to mess with the dealer, call up regional sales office and report the incident !

[lynx]

Hi all,

I am seriously considering the petrol Swift Vxi all of a sudden. I have a few clarifications:

1. What is the K12 Swift? If I buy one now, will I get this version or something else?

2. What are the speculated changes in the new swift which this thread is about as far as the engine power is concerned (for the petrol variant)?

3. How does a well used swift's handling and ride comfort compare to an entry level sedan like Hyundai Accent?

Thanks in advance.

[theoriginal9321]

^^
answers -
1. It is the new petrol engine in both the swift and ritz, yes you will get this engine, its probably the best 1.2 you can get in India

2.Nope (AFAIK), it will be the same K12 most likely

3. Dont know about accent, but the swift for sure is one of the most fun to drive hatch and its handling is pretty good! however, even after maruti tweaking its suspensions recently, its ride quality remains a little bumpy from what ive heard

Hope this helps

[YC.BALENO.CHD]

Originally Posted by lynx

Hi all,

I am seriously considering the petrol Swift Vxi all of a sudden. I have a few clarifications:

1. What is the K12 Swift? If I buy one now, will I get this version or something else?

K12 is a newer generation engine that was introduced in the Ritz. The international K12 is approx. 1250cc. However, the capacity has been reduced to approx 1200cc for the Indian version so as to benefit from duty relaxations that were introduced by the govt. a few years back.

The Swift initially had a G13 engine. It was a slightly tweaked version of the motor that did duty in the Esteem. However, it was getting too old and also increasingly tougher for Maruti to upgrade it to meet the current emission norms.

Hence, the K12 was introduced in the Swift/Dzire as well.
It gives out almost same power output and is class leading in refinement and torque.
It also has better fuel efficiency than the G13.

The G13 swift has been discontinued and if you buy a swift now you will get the K12 engine.

2. What are the speculated changes in the new swift which this thread is about as far as the engine power is concerned (for the petrol variant)?

The new swift that we are discussing here will be an all new model (just like the current City is different from the last one) and not just a mere facelift. Going by the reviews it should be roomier, more stylish and should have better interiors and features.

Coming to engine, expect it to sport the proven DDiS 1.3 and the K12 petrol. There are rumors that Maruti may introduce a 90Hp/Variable Geometry Turbo Variant of the Diesel and a VVT equipped version of the petrol. There however, is no concrete proof regarding the upgraded engines.

3. How does a well used swift's handling and ride comfort compare to an entry level sedan like Hyundai Accent?

Condition of a used car depends upon many factors. However, a swift anyday is a better handler than an Accent. Ride quality of swift does get choppy at times and the accent may be just a bit ahead in ride quality.
Again, Maruti has been constantly tweaking the suspension and the newer lots of swifts ride much better than the initial lot.

Regards.

[sajo]

Originally Posted by lynx

1. What is the K12 Swift? If I buy one now, will I get this version or something else?

2. What are the speculated changes in the new swift which this thread is about as far as the engine power is concerned (for the petrol variant)?

3. How does a well used swift's handling and ride comfort compare to an entry level sedan like Hyundai Accent?

1. K12 Swift is nothing but the 1.2 L engine from Suzuki's K-series family of engine. Nice and refined twin cam unit with good performance and good FE as well.

2. We dunno yet. But it *might* get a new head with variable valve timing. Purely speculating, but then it may not, due to cost reasons.

3. The Swift is one sweet handling hatch and certainly wont disappoint you on that front. However, even with its new tweaked suspension, the ride continues to be firm at low speeds in the current K12 Swift.

[lynx]

Thanks a ton. The responses were extremely speedy and very helpful!

P.S.: Is the Indian swift exactly the same as the one sold by Suzuki in Europe? Or were there any changes made by Maruti?

[theoriginal9321]

^^ apart from the difference baleno mentioned, I dont think so.
however, there are certain sports versions.
BTW the swift in europe is the new one we are speculating about now.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Swift - this might help

[lynx]

Thanks I read that just after posting the first question in this thread. Just wanted to know if there were any other differences between the Gen2 Euro model and the current version in India.

Also, the sales representative said something about the BSIV norms needing the displacement to be reduced to 1200cc and the power to 85 bhp from a previous 87 bhp? Is this the new K12 engine? Just trying to fit things together

I am all excited about the promised test drive tomorrow.

[YC.BALENO.CHD]

Originally Posted by theoriginal9321

however, there are certain sports versions.

Heh Heh, your grin says it all.

That should be one wicked car. The Swift sports. Actually, europeans mostly regarded Suzuki hatches as cars meant for OAPs (Old Age Pensioners). It is the swift that helped changing this perception to a great deal. The Swift sports (The generation that is still being sold here) was termed at par with the equivalent version of Mini and the Suzuki was also a great deal cheaper. A pocket rocket. So the Swift Sports based on the newer generation should take thing a step ahead at least.

Originally Posted by lynx

P.S.: Is the Indian swift exactly the same as the one sold by Suzuki in Europe? Or were there any changes made by Maruti?

No it is not. I mean they have the new model now but even when the older one was on sale at Europe it was not exactly like the one we have here.

The European models boasted better build quality and plastics. Check the difference between a Swift Lxi/Vxi and the Swift ZXi and you'll know what am talking about. The ZXi being export model as well feels like it is better built and has softer plastics.

Also, due to different road conditions, the suspension is slightly differently tuned. Plus they have better features like a full quota of airbags, etc which are missing on Indian variants.

And lastly as I mentioned before, they have a slightly bigger version of the k12 (which I guess is called the K12M), hence they are a tad more powerful.

Rest, everything is same.

Originally Posted by lynx

the sales representative said something about the BSIV norms needing the displacement to be reduced to 1200cc and the power to 85 bhp from a previous 87 bhp? Is this the new K12 engine? Just trying to fit things together
.

If that is what the salesman said I must say he is not really good with his job.
Actually, yes he is talking about the K12.

But he should had added that the engine being lighter than the old one (G13) there is negligible drop in performance. Rather the swift with k12 engine is very much unlike the earlier one which had a peaky engine (G13) and poor low end power (typical of old school suzuki engines). The new K12 is much more responsive in lower RPM range and hence there are less gear changes needed in traffic.

Also, the new engine is more efficient and so all the above translates into better fuel economy.

Hope this helps clearing your doubts.

Regards.

[theoriginal9321]

For some reason I am starting to think that the interest in the new swift is somehow dying out.. :(
I mean there have been no updates or scoops recently apart from the same points being mentioned again and again, Im starting to doubt if they would even release it this year! :(

[YC.BALENO.CHD]

Originally Posted by theoriginal9321

For some reason I am starting to think that the interest in the new swift is somehow dying out.. :(
I mean there have been no updates or scoops recently apart from the same points being mentioned again and again, Im starting to doubt if they would even release it this year! :(

There were pics of the heavily camouflaged New Swift that was caught being tested by MSIL on Indian roads. That is an indicator enough that the launch should happen sooner than later.

Also, Maruti surely wants to do something about high sales of the i20. What better way to woo the prospective buyers than launching the new and improved swift soon??

Regards.

[theoriginal9321]

^^ But there were also pics of a camouflaged fiesta hatch before the figo came out (correct me if Im wrong), but we didnt see the fiesta hatch did we? Its only this year that it would come out as scoops go, so Im just saying unless the swift sales fall down dramatically, they would probably not risk bringing the new swift in, risking as in they would have to increase the price of the swift to maintain its quality.
But I still have my fingers crossed for Q1 2011!!!!!!

[igp_79]

I have enquired regarding the 2011 swift at two dealerships, one in coimbatore and the other at ernakulam. T he sales person from coimbatore was positive that bookings should open by February with deliveries commencing four months later, and yes a Zdi variant would be offered. The ernakulam person said that it would be year end and you can expect the petrols before the diesels. This confusion is reflected by the media too. A recent article in economic times mentions that it would be year end, while autocarindia is bullish about an April release, even their website update yesterday mentions April as the release date.
With the Figo and the Micra, the indian customer is no longer starved for good hatches. I think maruti should get it's act together or the sales volume may go down in another six months. I was fixated with the new swift diesel (I currently own one and want to replace it because of the rattles, assuming the new model will be better built), but now with all the uncertainty, i am almost decided on the nissan micra xv premium. I am sure there are a lot of guys like me out there.

[New.Novice]

I booked a Swift Lxi only yesterday, with a tentative delivery date of 28th Feb, for my father in law. Any idea I should hold on to my booking for the new swift or it is fruitless to wait as even the launch is not clearly in sight lets not even get into waiting?

Also, cost is a factor. So any ideas about how it would be priced?