Can the Nano sustain itself in the long-run?

greatmana2000 · 5th November 2010, 13:58

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Originally Posted by freakmuzik

As you have asked:
Alto Std ex-showroom : Rs 2,31,535
Nano base ex-showroom: Rs 1,36,860

Alto LX : Rs 2,62,943
Nano CX : 1,61,887

With discounts/offers by MUL , dealers makes it close to the onroad price .

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Originally Posted by freakmuzik

And I surely believe that Nano is the better choice for the city runs. And its really economical too. My Nano gives me around 16-17 km/l purely in the city in the initial months itself!

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Originally Posted by freakmuzik

How long do other cars take to give optimal mileage ?
Just my opinions.

Just for an info:
Maruti 800 Std : Rs 1,96,903

For 2.05 lakhs you can get it onroad.

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Originally Posted by freakmuzik

And i am sure the nano is better built and much more comfortable than an 800.( I know the 800 is an old design, but for the price nano offers better).

800 has proved beyond its merit . I had a 800 which did almost 60k kms without any kind of major service except oil changes . And there are many 800 which are still doing a sterling duty.

NetfreakBombay · 5th November 2010, 16:37

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Originally Posted by naj

If I stay opposite a huge non premium 500 apartment complex . I actually saw it built in front of me and mostly all the accupants are urban middle class and first time Apt buyers......all the cars are either Altos,Santros or Wagon -Rs. or Zens.

An apartment in Pune would cost around 10 - 20 lakh 3 years back. Someone who can afford to pay EMIs for that, would aim for a segment higher than Nano.

Car buying is as much about "aspiration" as it is about utility. If they can afford Alto they would buy it.

IMHO, i10 is the current choice for urban buyers in Pune/Mumbai. Specially those who can afford their own home.

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Originally Posted by altius

It was suprising to note that Alto outsold Nano 10:1 in october.

I agree. Tata should bring out a "Fully loaded" version of Nano to capture this demographic. They could add air bags, ABS, stereo and make it an aspirational product.

burnt. · 5th November 2010, 18:10

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Originally Posted by altius

It was suprising to note that Alto outsold Nano 10:1 in october.

See, the bottom line is these king of economical cars take time to pick up. The fact is the Alto was neither selling 30,000 units nor outselling the 800 at the time of its launch. The sales slowly picked up to overtake the 800 and slowly increased to its present level. The Nano sales will also definitely pick up, but it remains to be seen whether it can catch up with the Alto.

AbhiJ · 5th November 2010, 21:08

I own a CRV, an i20 CRDi and would not mind buying a Nano for a 3rd car.. but wont... at least for the next 2-3 years...

Why? Simply because I have previously owned an Indica and seen the usual Tata niggles...

freakmuzik · 7th November 2010, 17:27

Just my personal thoughts/comments!

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Originally Posted by greatmana2000

With discounts/offers by MUL , dealers makes it close to the onroad price.

Yes, but have not seen huge discounts especially for the Alto. And I posted this just as someone had asked for it!

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Originally Posted by greatmana2000

How long do other cars take to give optimal mileage ?

The FE usually gets better after the 1st service/ run-in period. Actually i hope to get better FE, say north of 20, after my second service.

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Originally Posted by greatmana2000

Maruti 800 Std : Rs 1,96,903 (for 2.05 lakhs you can get it onroad.)

Yes, but a similarly equipped Nano costs almost Rs.60,000 to 65,000 less.

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Originally Posted by greatmana2000

800 has proved beyond its merit . I had a 800 which did almost 60k kms without any kind of major service except oil changes . And there are many 800 wich are still doing a sterling duty .

Great to hear that. M-800 is an extremely proven car. What i meant was of its build quality and the space/comfort. Nano has to prove its long term reliability. No wonder there are millions of 800's on our roads. But, Nano's space and build is way better than an M-800.
Hope you got my point

greatmana2000 · 7th November 2010, 19:07

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Originally Posted by freakmuzik

Just my personal thoughts/comments!.......

The 800 might be costly by 60k-70k but again you get a proper engine which is water cooled , can be run at extremes .The tyres are of the same size .. it dosent look like a ducks feet like in a nano. The spare tyre can be used for any wheel unlike in the nano . Bigger fuel tank meaning extended range . The 800 has boot space which is much better . Suspension set up is much better in the 800 compared to a NANO . ( this is from my view point , after owning both the vehicles )

NetfreakBombay · 7th November 2010, 19:35

Regarding 800, verdict is already out. Its sales have been trending lower for quite some time. And yes, its sales is less than Nano (look at numbers in monthly sales threads).

Alto is the new King of cars in the range of 3 lakh rupees.

somspaple · 7th November 2010, 21:38

^^ i double checked to make sure that it is today's post!! :O

isn't 800's production is stopped!!? or are we referring to Alto 800? and at that price? am i missing something here

NetfreakBombay · 7th November 2010, 23:16

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Originally Posted by somspaple

isn't 800's production is stopped!!?

800 is being produced and is available. Sales number from this thread:

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...s-figures.html

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Maruti
800 : 2631
Omni : 8564
Alto : 32612

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Tata....
Aria : 344
Nano : 3065

TheLeapYearGuy · 8th November 2010, 18:01

First and foremost... I agree with all of those who've mentioned the need for features. As for Nano, they really need to give addons

Options for Power Steering
Audio/Video enhancements
Dashboard needs to have glove compartment
Hatch-Back version
Auto-Type Sound - that must be changed
A touch version for the button that puts on Hazzard warning lights

Further, initially it felt real nice to own a Nano, but wait a minute, I've got the LX - Golden color variant and paid an amount over 2Lakhs to get it home, so please don't turn it down by calling "sasta 1-lakh car". That is one major reason I feel so bad about the Nano. People have started looking down upon Nano. It's not a "Janta" product man, its a Tata Nano.

If Nano turns out to be a Taxi-Driver car, I am gonna discard it away for sure!

The other day I had my brother's i20 on the front seat.. oh lala... that was one lovely drive. It felt even better than the Swift. Yes there is major price difference, and i20 is not for the common man, but still if Nano goes to auto/taxi drivers I wud not feel comfy to drive it with ur family & friends. Might as well buy a used Maruti Zen.

altius · 8th November 2010, 19:34

My wild hypothesis for Nano sales not taking off as expected. I think positioning it as 1 lakh rupee car has hurt it in a couple of ways. One is many people didnt expect a 1 lakh rupee car to be a complete car. They expected it to be more like a 4 wheel auto. Secondly, in reality people are paying close to 2 lakh or more for buying Nano. This along with the first factor makes people think that for another 40K or so, they can buy a M800 or a decent used car (meaning real car). I am not against Nano. I felt proud when Nano was launched, felt bad when people trashed it for fire accidents and now feel sorry that it is not selling well.

NIP · 8th November 2010, 20:34

I completely agree with folks who say the positioning o the Nano was wrong, i.e 1 Lakh Rupee car. Nano is more of a brand I feel.

We have a white CX at home and I've driven it around for 300kms in town (its done 600kms) and its a complete blast to drive and zip around town! I would anyday go for a Nano instead of an 800/alto for many reasons. Some folks say pay a little more and get a 'real car' - these are the ignorant people who need to be educated about the car. I don't intend driving the car to Leh, but then again, why shouldn't I? The Nano is as real a car as there can be.

Older folks will just love the Nano and not bother about top end speed, and also find it comfortable very to use everyday. Initially, people who never had a closer look at a Nano were astonished to sit inside and get a feel of the car. Two family friends have booked the car in the last few days, and these were folk who thought Nano was like an auto rickshaw (or whatever crazy perception people have). TML needs to break this mindset and drive home a better message. People need to be more aware of what the car is. Most importantly, all the info aam janta have on the Nano is second hand nonsense, and TML needs to do something here. This will sustain the Nano in the long run.

Our Nano was bought as a spare car for groceries and school trips, and it does the job in style

. Initially even I felt the engine sound was weird and in this day and age they could have made it sound better, but over the last few days, I feel its like a go-kart...and it goes like one too! The engine seems to be getting quieter, and I'm hoping it will get better after the first couple of services. I just love it and don't want to drive anything else nowadays! I wish it all the luck and highly recommend it to potential buyers!

pgsagar · 8th November 2010, 22:33

100% right, NIP! These guys talking about real cars should know that for some guys real cars are Lauras and for some BMWs and for some Bentleys etc. etc. It depends on one's affordability coupled with one's liking. There is no defrinition of "Real car" anywhere. It's all relative. And yes, I find Nano leagues ahead of 800. Look at all the space inside. Why 800? It beats many C segment cars in that department. I will pick Nano over 800 any day.

maddy42 · 8th November 2010, 22:45

Well we are comparing 1 month sales data to tell the sales are down. Do you really believe the makers of Indica and Safari are going to let Nano Die?

Its more like Telling arey Sachin is not playing, well guess he should retire!! Look whats happening now.

This product can be a bigger hit and if the new plant in Guj is anything to go by for the amount of investment this car sales will improve.

teamveevee · 8th November 2010, 23:36

I think it is too early to write off Nano, one months data is not enough to conclude that it does not enthuse buyers. According to media reports, TM finished the delivery of 100,000 cars and are having issues with supply chain at the new plant. Also they need to be ready for the launch and production of Nano Europa in 2011. Once all these issues are resolved and the production ramped up (may be even with slight upgrades, like openable boot etc), probably they will go for a marketing blitz and start pan india sales. I doubt the sales are down and the stock is piling up at the dealers backyard.

5th November 2010, 21:08	#49
AbhiJ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kolkata Posts: 1,476 Thanked: 1,207 Times	I own a CRV, an i20 CRDi and would not mind buying a Nano for a 3rd car.. but wont... at least for the next 2-3 years... Why? Simply because I have previously owned an Indica and seen the usual Tata niggles...
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7th November 2010, 19:35	#52
NetfreakBombay Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,466 Thanked: 1,021 Times	Regarding 800, verdict is already out. Its sales have been trending lower for quite some time. And yes, its sales is less than Nano (look at numbers in monthly sales threads). Alto is the new King of cars in the range of 3 lakh rupees.
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7th November 2010, 21:38	#53
somspaple BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 342 Thanked: 915 Times	^^ i double checked to make sure that it is today's post!! :O isn't 800's production is stopped!!? or are we referring to Alto 800? and at that price? am i missing something here
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8th November 2010, 18:01	#55
TheLeapYearGuy Newbie Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Nashik & Mumbai Posts: 15 Thanked: 11 Times	Tata Nano Needs a lot more features First and foremost... I agree with all of those who've mentioned the need for features. As for Nano, they really need to give addons Options for Power Steering Audio/Video enhancements Dashboard needs to have glove compartment Hatch-Back version Auto-Type Sound - that must be changed A touch version for the button that puts on Hazzard warning lights Further, initially it felt real nice to own a Nano, but wait a minute, I've got the LX - Golden color variant and paid an amount over 2Lakhs to get it home, so please don't turn it down by calling "sasta 1-lakh car". That is one major reason I feel so bad about the Nano. People have started looking down upon Nano. It's not a "Janta" product man, its a Tata Nano. If Nano turns out to be a Taxi-Driver car, I am gonna discard it away for sure! The other day I had my brother's i20 on the front seat.. oh lala... that was one lovely drive. It felt even better than the Swift. Yes there is major price difference, and i20 is not for the common man, but still if Nano goes to auto/taxi drivers I wud not feel comfy to drive it with ur family & friends. Might as well buy a used Maruti Zen.
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8th November 2010, 19:34	#56
altius BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 240 Thanked: 101 Times	My wild hypothesis for Nano sales not taking off as expected. I think positioning it as 1 lakh rupee car has hurt it in a couple of ways. One is many people didnt expect a 1 lakh rupee car to be a complete car. They expected it to be more like a 4 wheel auto. Secondly, in reality people are paying close to 2 lakh or more for buying Nano. This along with the first factor makes people think that for another 40K or so, they can buy a M800 or a decent used car (meaning real car). I am not against Nano. I felt proud when Nano was launched, felt bad when people trashed it for fire accidents and now feel sorry that it is not selling well.
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8th November 2010, 20:34	#57
NIP Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,180 Thanked: 152 Times View My Garage	I completely agree with folks who say the positioning o the Nano was wrong, i.e 1 Lakh Rupee car. Nano is more of a brand I feel. We have a white CX at home and I've driven it around for 300kms in town (its done 600kms) and its a complete blast to drive and zip around town! I would anyday go for a Nano instead of an 800/alto for many reasons. Some folks say pay a little more and get a 'real car' - these are the ignorant people who need to be educated about the car. I don't intend driving the car to Leh, but then again, why shouldn't I? The Nano is as real a car as there can be. Older folks will just love the Nano and not bother about top end speed, and also find it comfortable very to use everyday. Initially, people who never had a closer look at a Nano were astonished to sit inside and get a feel of the car. Two family friends have booked the car in the last few days, and these were folk who thought Nano was like an auto rickshaw (or whatever crazy perception people have). TML needs to break this mindset and drive home a better message. People need to be more aware of what the car is. Most importantly, all the info aam janta have on the Nano is second hand nonsense, and TML needs to do something here. This will sustain the Nano in the long run. Our Nano was bought as a spare car for groceries and school trips, and it does the job in style . Initially even I felt the engine sound was weird and in this day and age they could have made it sound better, but over the last few days, I feel its like a go-kart...and it goes like one too! The engine seems to be getting quieter, and I'm hoping it will get better after the first couple of services. I just love it and don't want to drive anything else nowadays! I wish it all the luck and highly recommend it to potential buyers! Last edited by NIP : 8th November 2010 at 20:53.
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8th November 2010, 22:33	#58
pgsagar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vizag Posts: 2,628 Thanked: 3,568 Times View My Garage	100% right, NIP! These guys talking about real cars should know that for some guys real cars are Lauras and for some BMWs and for some Bentleys etc. etc. It depends on one's affordability coupled with one's liking. There is no defrinition of "Real car" anywhere. It's all relative. And yes, I find Nano leagues ahead of 800. Look at all the space inside. Why 800? It beats many C segment cars in that department. I will pick Nano over 800 any day.
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8th November 2010, 22:45	#59
maddy42 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Coorg Posts: 2,131 Thanked: 1,328 Times View My Garage	Well we are comparing 1 month sales data to tell the sales are down. Do you really believe the makers of Indica and Safari are going to let Nano Die? Its more like Telling arey Sachin is not playing, well guess he should retire!! Look whats happening now. This product can be a bigger hit and if the new plant in Guj is anything to go by for the amount of investment this car sales will improve.
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8th November 2010, 23:36	#60
teamveevee Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kottayam Posts: 1,081 Thanked: 155 Times	I think it is too early to write off Nano, one months data is not enough to conclude that it does not enthuse buyers. According to media reports, TM finished the delivery of 100,000 cars and are having issues with supply chain at the new plant. Also they need to be ready for the launch and production of Nano Europa in 2011. Once all these issues are resolved and the production ramped up (may be even with slight upgrades, like openable boot etc), probably they will go for a marketing blitz and start pan india sales. I doubt the sales are down and the stock is piling up at the dealers backyard.
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