[PAVAN KADAM]

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

The Bolero at 6000 odd units, in this class outsells these by as much as four times their figures..

When they call all the different models by the same name. They probably have to outsell any other MUV's / SUV's

When a farmer buys, its called a Bolero
When a transport guy buys its called a Bolero
A taxi segment guy buys will also be called a Bolero
An adventure enthusiast buys will also be a Bolero
And even whatever a Software engineer buys will also be called a Bolero.

Well Done M&M

[bblost]

Originally Posted by Surviving Brain

The FIAT sales figure given are not the amount of cars sold by FIAT to local consumers. But its been amount of cars that are handed over by FIAT to Tata to distribute in its Dealer Network. The main reason for lower level of sales from FIAT to TATA is that they want to reduce the number of cars that are left in hands of dealer which are marked with year end dates. As this leads to unwanted situations where buyers dont want to buy a year old dated model. Thus what would happen would be that they would take the orders and sales through dealers and then probably would deliver from there current stocks or probably would deliver those cars in 2011.

But, is that not weird that a company slows down manufacture because manufacturing more would mean losses.

Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

When they call all the different models by the same name. They probably have to outsell any other MUV's / SUV's

When a farmer buys, its called a Bolero
When a transport guy buys its called a Bolero
A taxi segment guy buys will also be called a Bolero
An adventure enthusiast buys will also be a Bolero
And even whatever a Software engineer buys will also be called a Bolero.

Well Done M&M

Yes.
They should ask for the buyers profession and mark the cars correctly.
Prepare that list and send it to us as it will remove all ambiguity.

Naughty manufacturers. Just because the chasis, engine options, styling, color options etc are the same they name the vehicle also the same.

But I wonder what will happen if there is an overlap.
If a software engineer who is an avid enthusiast runs a taxi service in the weekends to fund his new ambition of owning and operating a small farmland.

[quattroa4]

what about the fig's of bmw & audi ?

[S350L-E240]

Mercedes-Benz definately is facing a huge supply issue with the C-Class kits due to some problems at the South African factory. Infact I do know they are making a huge loss at every C-Class being sold in the last few weeks as they are all CBU's, but as a client there is no better time to buy a C-Class as the seats in these CBU's have always felt better made.

Looking forward to BMW's numbers, esp. in terms of the F10.

Regards,

[vsk2009]

I was wondering whether the proposed VW-Maruti JV has any effect on the vento sales.

[anjan_c2007]

Originally Posted by PAVAN KADAM

When they call all the different models by the same name. They probably have to outsell any other MUV's / SUV's

When a farmer buys, its called a Bolero
When a transport guy buys its called a Bolero
A taxi segment guy buys will also be called a Bolero
An adventure enthusiast buys will also be a Bolero
And even whatever a Software engineer buys will also be called a Bolero.

Well Done M&M

Originally Posted by bblost

But, is that not weird that a company slows down manufacture because manufacturing more would mean losses.
Yes.
They should ask for the buyers profession and mark the cars correctly.
Prepare that list and send it to us as it will remove all ambiguity.

Naughty manufacturers. Just because the chasis, engine options, styling, color options etc are the same they name the vehicle also the same.

But I wonder what will happen if there is an overlap.
If a software engineer who is an avid enthusiast runs a taxi service in the weekends to fund his new ambition of owning and operating a small farmland.

I remember Bajaj Auto putting figures of its motorcycle sales in the 1980's like that. The were selling the m50 later m80 as motorcycles and clubbing their sales figures with the KB100. The figures thus mismatched those put by TVS Suzuki, Escorts (Yamaha) and Hero Honda.TVS gave its TVS 50 sales in the moped category with the Hero Majestic, Luna and so on.

[AMATMO]

Originally Posted by anu21v

Beating by just 4 cars is not such big a deal. Last month would anyways be a aberration being the launch month whr OEs generally push cars in dealerstock and show as sales.

Infact if one wants to compare Santa-fe, We should compare it with all "SOFT-ROADERS", i.e. city SUVS. In that case CAPTIVA, Mitsubish, CRV and Santafe is the category. Santafe clearly is being outsold in softroader segment evenafter being the newest entry.

i have already admitted the fact that the numbers are low
and i stand by my point, the fact it has sold more or equal is a very big deal
even i am skeptical about its performance in months to come but even if it sells as much as crv it is a very big deal, its a sign of possible change in trend if hyundai takes things seriously ,since even with similar situation in past hyundai could only dream of selling as many as honda

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[Aussie]

Hello!

Looking at the November sales figures and comparing them to previous months I arrived to these conclusions:

- Maruti Alto delivers 2nd best ever monthly volume in India with 32,377 (best ever was October 2010 at 32,612)
- Maruti Wagon R delivers 2nd best ever monthly volume in India with 15,617 (best ever was October 2010 at 16,952)
- Maruti Dzire delivers best ever monthly volume at 9,810
- Hyundai i20 ranks at a best-ever 7th place
- Maruti Ritz ranks at a best-ever 9th place (for the first time within the Indian Top10)

Could anyone confirm these or correct me if I'm wrong?

Thanks very much guys!
Matt

[agbenny]

Fiat and HM-Mitsubishi's sales figures are really surprising. How Mitshubishi is going to continue their operations in India with a 100 cars in India, after a large number of distributors and established network? They really need to think about reinvesting, expansion and new segments and cars.

Fiat, need to work out too, with new models and dealerships.

Anyone let me know why Volvo is not selling good figures after they have really good cars? I really like s80, if I have the money, it would be my choice anyday.

[baz_303]

* Premium Hatches:

Models No. %
Fabia 970 9%
i20 7228 69%
Jazz 330 3%
Polo 1975 19%
Total 10503

Total domination by the i20 there!! wow!

* Entry level small cars:



Models No.
Alto 32377
M800 2440
Nano 509
Spark 2785
Total 38111

M800 selling almost as much as the spark! Nano - whats going on!!?? SHOCKER!


* Sedans


Models No.
City 3003
Fiesta 1108
Linea 301
Optra 262
SX4 1305
Vento 2413
Verna 1455
Total 9847


Vento closing in on the ANHC! last month I had predicted that vento will start giving serious competition to the City in 4 months time. Vento proving me wrong already!!


* Aria seems to have gotten off to a much more decent start as compared to what I expected.

[GTO]

Originally Posted by quattroa4

what about the fig's of bmw & audi ?

Coming up shortly.

Originally Posted by Surviving Brain

FIAT sales figure given are not the amount of cars sold by FIAT to local consumers. But its been amount of cars that are handed over by FIAT to Tata to distribute in its Dealer Network

All the numbers you see on the first page are wholesales; that is, factory despatches. Nothing unique about Fiat's numbers vis a vis the rest.

[devarshi84]

HM sold twice the ambassadors than mitsubishi motors India as a whole.

Even maruti gypsy sold more units. :P

C-class was outclassed though.

[motorworks]

Im saddened by such dismal figures of the Punto and the Linea. I think they are priced very competitvely and hence price is not an issue here. Some of the reasons that I think could be responsible for this disaster:-

1) Blast from the past--Fiat's history in India has been pathetic. Sometimes a market just doesnt respond to certain cars however good the cars may be. There is a perception about Fiat that is pretty hard to change.
2) Rear space--Both the Punto and the linea are priced right, but their rear legroom and head room is not great. Rather they could have worked on this, improved the leg room at the rear and priced the cars may be 15% higher.
3) Engines not just powerful enough. Punto should have had 90bhp multijet right from day one. Even though 90bhp has been launched now it is really expensive and is not even going to do 10% of the punto;s numbers.
4) Tata dealerships--All the tata dealerships some how do not push fiat's cars very well. The sales reps always end up comparing the vista with the punto and the linea with the Manza.
The linea is such a good looking car, the best actually under 15 lakhs.
If Fiat doesnt do well in the next 2 yrs, they should simply shut shop and walk away. As a last resort they can try to launch the new Uno with a diesel engine. It might do decent numbers.

[sandygordon]

Originally Posted by sarmarishi

I am not sure if the figs for Fiat are correct cos in Bangalore itself, I have seen so many brand new Lineas and Puntos recently. Or maybe they were October dispatches being delivered in nov. Anyhow, looks a little odd.

Or is it that people have stopped buying cars in Nov/ Dec and waiting for Jan to get 2011 cars?

Linea and punto sell more in cities. I think metros are the only major market for linea/punto and hondas. We should get a breakup of sales in metros and non-metro dealerships.

[arunkk]

Originally Posted by motorworks

Im saddened by such dismal figures of the Punto and the Linea. I think they are priced very competitvely and hence price is not an issue here. Some of the reasons that I think could be responsible for this disaster:-

1) Blast from the past--Fiat's history in India has been pathetic. Sometimes a market just doesnt respond to certain cars however good the cars may be. There is a perception about Fiat that is pretty hard to change.
2) Rear space--Both the Punto and the linea are priced right, but their rear legroom and head room is not great. Rather they could have worked on this, improved the leg room at the rear and priced the cars may be 15% higher.
3) Engines not just powerful enough. Punto should have had 90bhp multijet right from day one. Even though 90bhp has been launched now it is really expensive and is not even going to do 10% of the punto;s numbers.
4) Tata dealerships--All the tata dealerships some how do not push fiat's cars very well. The sales reps always end up comparing the vista with the punto and the linea with the Manza.
The linea is such a good looking car, the best actually under 15 lakhs.
If Fiat doesnt do well in the next 2 yrs, they should simply shut shop and walk away. As a last resort they can try to launch the new Uno with a diesel engine. It might do decent numbers.

I dont agree with your points 2 & 3. Punto's rear leg room is at par with most other hatches. Punto MJD cars even with the 75bhp engines are powerful enough compared to the competition. I drive Punto MJD & Swift VDI quite frequently and really likes Punto's linear power delivery. This may not result in good 0-100 numbers but cannot say its underpowered.

I feel Fiat can come back with a good marketing campaign and own shorooms/service centres atleast in metros.