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Originally Posted by sureshkishore In 2005-6 while working in Oman, I had been given a run down Echo.
The Etios is surely a development from the same mould.
Just few pics of the ECHO. You will know where the Etios got the looks from. |
So much for it being “World’s First, India’s First”. Looks horrible, like a mash between a Corolla and a Logan.
As someone mentioned, they've stripped a few 'feel good' features, which might not be a good idea. Eg. the single wiper might be accepted in the Nano, but not in a sedan unless backed up by technical wizardry that ensures great windscreen coverage.
The wheel wells remind me of the first gen Indicas. Tiny wheels making the wells look too big.
Minimalist wheel well protection is plain silly in Indian slushy, muddy, waterlogged-in-the-rains conditions.
I thought the outside was pretty ugly, and then I saw the pic of the dashboard. Good grief!
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Originally Posted by sarmarishi I dont like the Etios too much but I think its great value for money at that price and it being a Toyota. |
I'd say Priced Well but maybe not Great Value. I'd say Great Value is still the Manza.
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Originally Posted by sarmarishi I personally feel it is a good thing for cheaper cars to come with fixed head rests as most people in India buying their cars (first generation ownership) do not know why a headrest exists as there is no education given. Thye simply remove it as they feel that its a hindrance for people at the back seat as they cannot see more clearly. Trus me I have seen and interacted with a lot of educated people on this one. But I guess the higher end variant should have come with adjustable ones. |
Serious? That's like saying the lower models shouldn't get airbags even as an option, cos they won't know that not wearing a seatbelt could cause it to kill them.
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Originally Posted by sarmarishi What people need to understand is that this design has been in Toyotas for ages now. Their Yaris and Vios and Echo have been coming with a centre dash for generations. Its more like Nano copied it. So, I dont see why one should compare it to that. They have always had centre dashs for their cheaper cars. |
That is hardly the point. People criticised the Spark/Vista/Nano centre console, and will criticise the Etios for the same reason - They don't like it. I'm happy people are being generally unbiased in their criticism.
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Originally Posted by shankar.balan On one hand when a Tata Motors does this kind of thing it is called "Value engineering" and "engineered to meet a cost target".
When toyota does it is called "compromising"
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1. Single Wiper - I can't say about others, but that's cost cutting a lil too much. It doesn't even have the benefit of looking good like the Merc's does, and I'm sure it wouldn't wipe 88% of the windscreen, as claimed by Mercedes
2. Looks Ugly. In fact, fugly
3. Under tyred, or too big wheel wells
4. Incredibly horrible looking centre console. Yes there are a few good bits like the steering wheel, but if they were doing a centre console, then at least make it look good? Also, the competition doesn't have a centre console, not even the Manza
5. Thin seats to make good rear leg room. Not sure if the bolstering is good, but will they hold up over time? Can't say, but the buyer can't keep a car for five years and then decide - purely speculative point in the decision making process
6. Super light-weight => thin sheet metal => light brushes will dent the metal. Also, safety wise a heavier car will fare better in a collision between two cars. I'm not impressed that most hatchbacks are the same weight. But not sure if this will be a factor for most buyers
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Originally Posted by shankar.balan I think the concept of an affordable Toyota is a very good thing indeed. And I am personally very happy that a lot more Indians will get to own and use a Toyota car since the company has such a good reputation for reliability overall. |
Me too, cos Toyota has a reputation of awesome A.S.S and experience and quality.
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Originally Posted by shankar.balan I for one am keenly looking forward to the Etios Hatch. I am sure that it will be streets above say, the Tata Indica or Vista or Ford Figo or Hyundai I10 or whatever.
Let the proof of the pudding be in the eating of it, not in the speculation of whether it is likely to be a "burnt offering" or not! |
Bit of a contradiction there. If the proof of the pudding is in the eating, we'll wait until the Etios hatch is launched to decide if it is in fact streets above the competition. IMHO, it will Not be. At par, more like (better in some, worse in others).
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Originally Posted by akhilesh To put this in perspective, WagonR is considered to be one of the lightest car in the Indian market and one of flimsiest built too. The Liva matches the weight inspite of being bigger and having a larger 1.2 liter engine. |
+1
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Originally Posted by Jaggu I cannot agree, weight does not have any direct corelation to safety rating. Its the strength of the metal and how its put together with right crumple zones that determine the safety aspect. Not just the weight or metal gauge.
There are many debate's on this including this So its not as simple equation after-all when it comes to safety. |
Not quite. The crash test is done with the car being the only moving object (NCAP, AFAIK). In a real world crash, with both vehicles moving (worst case here, head on or off-set), the heavier car's momentum will cause more damage to the lighter car (thereby increasing the impact time and providing an additional cushion to the occupants of the heavier car) and reducing the impact time and increasing the deceleration of the lighter car (thereby causing more damage to its occupants). But yes, it is definitely not a simple equation.
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Originally Posted by vebmetal I think the forte of this car is that it will provide a Toyota that is affordable, fuel efficient, has large trunk storage space. It's not a car that someone will buy for looks, nor for the interiors. +1
Have tentatively booked one- the V version. Congratulations!
Also, aren't Toyota cars generally designed on the plainer side? I have always thought the Corolla is very plain. The Altis is of course much more eye catching, but when compared to Honda cars, Toyota sure looks bland. So is it really surprising to people that the Etios isn't super curvy and swank? |
Again, the point is that people are complaining because they will be the consumers and they have every right to expect better. Just because they're Toyota, they can't continue to make ugly looking cars. I mean the Corolla and Camry are bland tending to ugly, but this one just takes the cake.
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Originally Posted by Maverick1977 I have one grudge here - WHY IS NO ONE SAYING 'I WILL NOT BUY THE CAR ONLY BECAUSE IT HAS THE CONSOLE IN THE CENTRE'. I recall so many ppl on this forum giving this as the sole reason for the Indica Vista. Are we really fair in our judgement? |
+1, though I did think people are being a wee bit more honest than expected, saying that they didn't like the centre console